AnsonJames wrote:
Actually the overall shape and size of the VP and the SPFX are almost exactly the same, there's also a few little nicks on the VP that can be seen on the SPFX.
The SPFX isn't undersized as I was told before and none of the other helmets I've compared it to are any different in size either.
My good friend Chris (Voice in the Crowd) had the chance to compare one of his VP's to six different Vader's on Thursday with the same conclusion.
At one point Gino said we should be less concerned with the size issue and concentrate on the details instead - I think he's correct.
I've been mould making and casting for twenty years now - you'll see variances in casts left right and center.
It depends on the amount of MEKP you've used to catalyse your resin, de-mould times , the temperature of your workspace, etc.
Shrinkage from original to cast is negligible to say the least - it's there alright but it's sooo tiny it's not worth mentioning.
I know you were given measurements of the TM but without them here I'm still thinking the VP and the TM from the same mould.
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I don't see how you think the TM with its neck extension is from the same mold as the VP? That and the fact they have significant size difference and also the way the eye edges are shaped, the contour of the neck, the cleanup not to mention, the shape of the crown in relation to the face, etc etc.
They share the same source but the VP is from a ROTJ mold...not the same ESB mold as the TM. And the original ANH was never modified in the neck like that to mold it. So the TM is not directly from the ANH. It can't be because otherwise there would have to have been other modifications to it like the edges of the eyes which don't match the ANH by a long shot.
Gino is wrong. Size does matter. He just hasn't taken the time or effort to examine that relationship. And as for him saying we should not worry about size, that's only because he has no data on size and has no research to back up his statement and instead dismisses it without any reason or evidence to the contrary that it is NOT important. It IS and I have done the measurements. The VP is smaller than the TM. That is a fact. And the size difference cannot be accounted for by simple pull variation. It's not just the size either...it's the proportions in the face. But unless you study a lot of faceplates you won't notice something like that and Gino has NO idea about that level of scrutiny because he's never had a TM, he's never had a VP and he's never had DJ, nor anything else yet that I've seen in his possession to suggest he can make comments with any authority about size relationships between faceplates.
The fact is if you had as many measurements of different helmets that I have collected, you would realize that there is CONSISTENCY in the sizes. It doesn't matter how little the differences are in the sense that they are a few millimeters off on either side, the point is that there IS a consistent difference and a consistent relationship...as you get further down the lineage from ANH to ROTJ they get smaller. This is a quantifiable, reliable, and emperical relationship. Yes there is variation in size of pulls, but the fact is the similarity in size of related faceplates like the 20th C pulls is MUCH greater than similarity in size between different faceplates but faceplates of similar origin, ie: 20th C recast like the JB V2 and SPFX...are nearly identical in size.
I trust that's a VP but that SPFX is different than the one I had and the one I had was the FIRST ESB conversion Phil did...and it was just a direct conversion from one of his ANH pulls...this was before he ever started selling them on Ebay. Ok? He's modified his dome (a GH recast) and faceplate so much and remolded it himself so often to say that his faceplate now accurately reflects what the size should be is untenable. The SPFX I had in hand was what he started with and all I've seen over time is his efforts to make it more accurate. I've done many comparisons showing the history of changes he's made to his helmets on the RPF previously.
The fact is because the SPFX is a 20th C recast, it's smaller, and if it's bigger now then that just means Phil has been listening to my criticisms of his faceplate
. I still have photos of that SPFX ESB helmet...
Ok, rant completed