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 Post subject: ESB unfinished casting.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:59 pm 
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Hey guys. I mentioned this to one of you awhile back. Now the picture is out in a public venue so I'm reposting here.

I'm thinking it's a raw casting from the UK mould. Do you agree?
Interesting because this is not the helmet we see in other similar pictures of this scene is it?


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 Post subject: Re: ESB unfinished casting.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:08 am 
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Interesting clear shot of this near unpainted cast. The other cast is painted and finished, and that one also has the neck extension.


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 Post subject: Re: ESB unfinished casting.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:07 am 
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Looks like a miniature to me, not 1:1 scale.


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 Post subject: Re: ESB unfinished casting.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:09 am 
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banthapoodoo wrote:
Looks like a miniature to me, not 1:1 scale.

As it is in the same physical spot as the other painted Dagobah rolling helmet that's not possible. Also, they didn't have the capability to make such an accurate scaled replica back then. It's full scale and visible in the movie.

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 Post subject: Re: ESB unfinished casting.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:32 pm 
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I think it's a special effects helmet made for the shot where the helmet actually explodes.


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 Post subject: Re: ESB unfinished casting.
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I agree , on this helmet , the dome is the same

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 Post subject: Re: ESB unfinished casting.
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That dome flare wow. Looks like the DPCA. Which makes me wonder if this might have been made of vinyl... some material that could withstand an exploding facemask nearby and still be used in the next shot for continuity.

As for whether it originated from the UK mold, I can say with absolute certainty... I have no idea. :)


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 Post subject: Re: ESB unfinished casting.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:25 am 
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banthapoodoo wrote:
That dome flare wow. Looks like the DPCA. Which makes me wonder if this might have been made of vinyl... some material that could withstand an exploding facemask nearby and still be used in the next shot for continuity.

They probably just used a mis-cast dome.


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 Post subject: Re: ESB unfinished casting.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:23 pm 
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Photoshopped...


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 Post subject: Re: ESB unfinished casting.
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SithLord wrote:
Photoshopped...


mmhh... this also came up in my mind.


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 Post subject: Re: ESB unfinished casting.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:07 pm 
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This is a screen capture of the helmet in the movie.

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 Post subject: Re: ESB unfinished casting.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:47 am 
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The screen capture face mask and the blown up face mask with the Luke head inside share the same irregular pattern on the neck, which the face mask in the first picture do not have. And neither the blown up face mask, nor the one in the movie sports a neck extension. The dome is the same...


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 Post subject: Re: ESB unfinished casting.
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Yes the dome is the identical dome but the mask is different in so many ways and how it is placed on the photo suggests to me strongly that it was photoshopped in. I could point out all the differences....how can you have something so different inside the same dome in the same scene?


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 Post subject: Re: ESB unfinished casting.
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:26 pm 
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If that mask is photoshopped in, that's one helluva a good PS job. Perfect focus transitions, matched the lighting, same film grain. The focus fall off also tells me it's not photoshopped - seems too perfect, and it looks like a lens rendered the bokeh along the top and bottom edges of the neck. That's what I'm seeing...

Would the production team have thrown in a stunt mask as a stand in for a test throw or two to see how it lands so they could film it correctly? Why damage the screen used version prior to filming? Not hard to believe someone walked up an popped a photo of it sitting on the ground. Those movies are littered with behind the scenes stills.


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 Post subject: Re: ESB unfinished casting.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:14 pm 
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I love that face mask, while a rough cast the facial features are crisp and sharp, and there's the neck extension plain as day :thumbs

It's screaming TM to me.

The mesh in the upper mouth vent looks like an ANH pattern, a different mesh from the lower mouth opening.


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