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 Post subject: Re: Recently found ANH Vader
PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:25 pm 
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Jez, you did a great review of the screenused AT-AT driver helmet. You pointed out things I never noticed before. I honestly don't study the stormtrooper-related stuff to any level of depth, so your video coverage was most educational!


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 Post subject: Re: Recently found ANH Vader
PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:00 pm 
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I'll second Mac's compliment on your AT-AT driver helmet review Jez - the video was great. Amazing what red tape can do LOL.

I consider starwarshelmets.com an invaluable research and reference tool and just wanted to add thanks much for the great work and support in the SW fan community.

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 Post subject: Re: Recently found ANH Vader
PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:42 pm 
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And you are still insulting me severely Mac. Guess what, I am predominately a Boba Fett collector. Gino isnt my largest source for Fett info people like Art Andrews, Singleseat, Lee Malone etc are. And I even made some discoveries they hadnt. So before you go running your mouth about how I should be "trained better" by Gino (to be his little puppet perhaps?) and dont see what everyone else sees just remember I am my own man. I am getting really pissed with the same old routine.



Here on the Den we're generally pretty friendly until we're insulted, pushed, bullied, or maligned.
Do you suppose there is a possibility that you brought this on yourself with your presentation? Consider your own words in the Sex... Lies... No Sex thread:

Midnight Trooper wrote:
The way Gino describes his props has caused problems with you fellows before. Remember when there was a huge debate over how he described the origins of his Vader hard parts? You all called him a liar then and it was just as weak as this whole argument.


When SithLord invited you to read that thread, all you did was say:

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That is exactly what I was referencing when I said we can debate how he describes his props and the threat of you pointing that out was what made me say I wish that could be left out of this thread. You dont seem to be able to understand what Gino is saying his Vader helmets are.


So that was a stormtrooper molds thread. You brought up Vader and basically maligned everyone on it by saying our collective analysis and prop observations are "slander" and "false 'facts'".

You said you wanted to be apart from the Gino crowd. Well, the Gino crowd typically highlights what they consider poor past performance, but when confronted with discussing prop observations they are ill equipped and rarely follow-through and participate.

Since you brought up the topic of GINO's ANH Vader to blast SithLord by highlighting poor past performance, you were invited to that thread to dispute the information, and so far all you've done is backpedal and say you're not interested in GINO's ANH Vader.

So if you're severely insulted by my pointing this out to you, then you brought it on yourself because you didn't chose a diplomatic approach. But if you attack people in the fashion you've done without backing up your statements, be prepared to dislike the reactions of people who dislike your manner.

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 Post subject: Re: Recently found ANH Vader
PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:07 pm 
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CSMacLaren wrote:
Midnight Trooper wrote:
And you are still insulting me severely Mac. Guess what, I am predominately a Boba Fett collector. Gino isnt my largest source for Fett info people like Art Andrews, Singleseat, Lee Malone etc are. And I even made some discoveries they hadnt. So before you go running your mouth about how I should be "trained better" by Gino (to be his little puppet perhaps?) and dont see what everyone else sees just remember I am my own man. I am getting really pissed with the same old routine.



Here on the Den we're generally pretty friendly until we're insulted, pushed, bullied, or maligned.
Do you suppose there is a possibility that you brought this on yourself with your presentation? Consider your own words in the Sex... Lies... No Sex thread:

Midnight Trooper wrote:
The way Gino describes his props has caused problems with you fellows before. Remember when there was a huge debate over how he described the origins of his Vader hard parts? You all called him a liar then and it was just as weak as this whole argument.


When SithLord invited you to read that thread, all you did was say:

Midnight Trooper wrote:
That is exactly what I was referencing when I said we can debate how he describes his props and the threat of you pointing that out was what made me say I wish that could be left out of this thread. You dont seem to be able to understand what Gino is saying his Vader helmets are.


So that was a stormtrooper molds thread. You brought up Vader and basically maligned everyone on it by saying our collective analysis and prop observations are "slander" and "false 'facts'".

You said you wanted to be apart from the Gino crowd. Well, the Gino crowd typically highlights what they consider poor past performance, but when confronted with discussing prop observations they are ill equipped and rarely follow-through and participate.

Since you brought up the topic of GINO's ANH Vader to blast SithLord by highlighting poor past performance, you were invited to that thread to dispute the information, and so far all you've done is backpedal and say you're not interested in GINO's ANH Vader.

So if you're severely insulted by my pointing this out to you, then you brought it on yourself because you didn't chose a diplomatic approach. But if you attack people in the fashion you've done without backing up your statements, be prepared to dislike the reactions of people who dislike your manner.



Mac you interpret everything I say incorrectly. This is why I shouldnt even bother continuing to mess up this thread with responding to you.

When did I bully you? I just disagreed with you in the other thread. You are the one absolutely bullying me be continuing to suggest that I am ignorant, biased, and a Gino lackey. Move past that and discuss issues as they come. I am so doggone tired of talking about Gino you have no idea.

Referencing the Vader helmet thread was an attempt to demonstrate how misinterpretation of something can lead to a whole big mess. You still dont understand the terminology of his Vader helmets and think he is claiming his ANH Vader helmet is right from the actual mold that made the first ANH Vader helmet. This has never been the case.
And Thomas didnt need to invite me to read the thread. Believe me I did. So brushing it off is my way of saying I am not interested in starting that whole debate again. Maybe its too late now..
So yes, your observations were based on incorrect "facts" based on your (collective) incorrect interpretation of them. And I consider all the wonderful comparisons therein to not prove a darn thing other than Gino's helmets look similar to other Vader helmets. Why shouldnt they?


I have been Very diplomatic Mac. You have no idea how hard it is for me but truly, you cannot point out anywhere where I set out to insult anyone. Is it insulting to mearly say I dont like someone or I disagree with their observations? I have not been insulted when that happens to me.
Where I do get insulted is when somebody tells me something about myself, another incorrect "fact" brought on by incorrect interpretations and expects me to abide by that "fact". I will not have it.

My apologies to TMG. Back to the props.
Mac if you have anything else please PM me as I have offered before.


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 Post subject: Re: Recently found ANH Vader
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:53 am 
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Midnight,

We're going in circles, so I have nothing more to say.

Back to the original topic.

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 Post subject: Re: Recently found ANH Vader
PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:53 am 
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Hey, I've been gone for about a year or so and I'd like to catch up a little. Anything else come out about this wonderful suit? Any new pics or any insights?


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 Post subject: Re: Recently found ANH Vader
PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:01 pm 
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Wow, I've been absent from this board for far too long. Great finds fellas. After reviewing all the photos in this thread, it sure does appear to be the same as the ESB Poster helmet. What a cool cool discovery. The good thing about being a dentist is seeing how things will look when turned in 3D. The pic supplied by DCarty, is a wonderful bit of evidence for this being the same helmet. You can't see one of the two cracks clearly on that upper tube, but the other two are quite clear and they line up nicely in my opinion. Really loving this thread. Thanks for sharing this stuff guys. I have gotten bogged down over at the RPF for too long. The RPF or as I like to call it, the Vagino/Art Variety show.........has become dead and boring as of late. The one month where gina was gone via temporary banning, was like a vacation in the caribbean for me. But now he's back and unleashed. Again, just glad to be here. :) Jez I have to agree on that ATAT helmet expose........it gave me the nerve to finally do my own helmet. If it hadn't been for your excellent work, my helmet would have been white like every other fan helmet out there. Thanks mate! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Recently found ANH Vader
PostPosted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:57 pm 
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Regarding the idea that some of this costume might be screen used ANH parts, I really don't think so. However, there is something 'authentic' feeling about this suit, and frankly it's one of my favorite suits in private collection. If I didn't have the one I'm putting together I would want this one! From what I've seen here, I believe that this may have been made from some original patterns, or the same B and N people who made the original. As a sidenote, according to KE, there were no B and N tags (or any other tags for that matter) inside any of the garments.


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 Post subject: Re: Recently found ANH Vader
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:32 am 
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Hey guys n gals,

Sorry to bump an old thread, but the MP Vader is on his way to L.A.

Does anyone want to know anything or like pics of anything while he's still available? I only have a shitty phone camera these days, but I'll do my best.

Things to note with this guy...

There is no padding/wadding in the suit, the quilting effect is that the leather is stitched to another fabric to give that effect.

Although very similar, the shoulder bells are different and from different moulds.

The helmet certainly is from the poster, but I hignly doubt the face is. In fact I am 100% sure that the face is not from the RB moulds. Reason being. the tusk tubes are longer, like they've not been cut back and drilled to take the tusks. Also the eyebrows are more pinched and taller than RB casts. However, this could be achieved by sanding/filing the brows back. IMHO I think it's an earlier cast from another mould.

Oh and if there's anyone who wants to see him in person before he goes let me know.

Fire away...lol.

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 Post subject: Re: Recently found ANH Vader
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:41 am 
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yakcam wrote:
Hey guys n gals,

Sorry to bump an old thread, but the MP Vader is on his way to L.A.

Does anyone want to know anything or like pics of anything while he's still available? I only have a shitty phone camera these days, but I'll do my best.

Things to note with this guy...

There is no padding/wadding in the suit, the quilting effect is that the leather is stitched to another fabric to give that effect.

Although very similar, the shoulder bells are different and from different moulds.

The helmet certainly is from the poster, but I hignly doubt the face is. In fact I am 100% sure that the face is not from the RB moulds. Reason being. the tusk tubes are longer, like they've not been cut back and drilled to take the tusks. Also the eyebrows are more pinched and taller than RB casts. However, this could be achieved by sanding/filing the brows back. IMHO I think it's an earlier cast from another mould.

Oh and if there's anyone who wants to see him in person before he goes let me know.

Fire away...lol.

Cheers,
Kraig


Me me please I would love some pics of the widows peak area aswell as the face mask please
would love to see the MP amazing

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 Post subject: Re: Recently found ANH Vader
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:50 am 
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Is there a particular reason this suit is going to the states? Was it sold? Is it going on loan for a display?

Interesting regarding the news of the shoulder bells. I owned a few set of armors and even though the bells were clearly the same sculpt, they were warped differently. If they are indeed two different sculpts, then that's pretty rare and would love to see the differences between the two.

The face and dome has been repainted - heavily. Can that account for some of the differences from how it looked when it was photographed for the ESB poster? Also, did Rick Baker remove the tusks from the tubes before molding, if not that could explain why they may be longer on this cast - maybe they didn't cut it all the way down to the actual tusk tube, but left some of the tusk stem on the cast, the ribbed pattern covered by layers of paint?

Most old style capes aren't exactly circular at the bottom, but more straight at the back and then has a sharper bend 2 thirds up the side to accommodate the section that sits at the front. Is that style seen in the cape, or is it just plain round?

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The tusks were definitely removed before molding on the RB cast. You can see the indentations in the tube ends on the SL helmets.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:40 pm 
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I would love to see new pictures of this suit!


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 Post subject: Re: Recently found ANH Vader
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Yeah I'm very curious.
Would the new owner have an interest in getting it scanned and or professionally photographed?
I have connections in LA area.


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 Post subject: Re: Recently found ANH Vader
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:02 am 
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Cool, give me a few days and I'll get more pics.

The cape actually rises in the back, so it's lower at the front on the sides. I assume so that Vader doesn't step on his cape and go ass over during an event. I'll try and get it on a big enough flat area and take a pic from above... not sure how I'm going to do that but I'll try and think of something.

There really isn't a way that the face could be from the RB mould. A lot of the measurements compare to the RB face, but cheek to cheek are wider on the MP. The tusks go longer as mentioned and the brows are too, and have a sharper end as opposed to the flat brows on the RB casts. The neck curves around the back further too. There isn't any bondo on the face that I can tell and I've poked the shit out of it with a sharp pointed tool. That face comes from another mould, I'm 100% certain of that.

The bells are warped differenty but the raised eye shape is thicker and thinner in areas when compared to each other. Also the curves seem to differ in some areas when compared to the other bell. Again, I'll try and take some pics to show what I mean.

I don't think it's my place to mention why he's going to LA, but it will be revealed eventually. Not wanting to be all secretive, but it would be like going up to some bloke and telling him his daughter is getting married before she tells him... well maybe not that bad but you get my drift... lol.

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