BingoBongo275 wrote:
Great info guys. Sorry to be pedantic but going back to the list....
2 x main "Hero" helmets, all placed in the movie
1 x Hero helmet possibly placed in movie
1 x Reveal - placed in movie
1 x stunt with perspex cheeks - but possibly 2
1 x Dagobah/Luke reveal.
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Jez
By my account that is correct naturally. I don't believe a 2nd stunt was made though although you haven't counted it anyway. I would say a 3rd hero is a very high certainty as I have a rare pic that ties it in 100% as a hero that differs from the rest, but still a hero. I just can't place it on screen 100% but I think I have found it, but even with HD I can't be definate, still the answer is 3 hero's.
There was alteration to the Dagobah roll/stunt/reveal as some of my screen caps show, as the chin vent wasn't cut out and it had extra damage to the neck, although I believe it is the same although some may count 2 seperate ones by way of differences, nevertheless I think that may be splitting hairs and I don't want to confuse anyone.
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Then there's the possibility of a "lighting helmet", but has anyone seen a photo if this in any behind the scenes shots?
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I haven't seen concrete evidence myself. Although I do collect Vintage material and it often hints at the use of some props was used in this way at times. I can't get confirmation 100% to say that an extra Vader helmet was made for this use, although I did visit Elstree studios last year and have emailed many people that were connected with the film. Some say they don't know, others say it's possible but they can't recall, some don't even email back. A story came around over 2 years ago when Vadermainia bought his TM, and the buyer stated that was the purpose of the prop. Some people discard this idea though as just a story but if you examined the TM it's definately not a recent casting and seems to have alot in common with a very late 1978 ESB casting. Again, this is not concrete that the story fits with this particular helmet, but personally I believe it is true and not through any personal gain either, as it doesn't really matter for the facemask anyway as Vadermania removed the paint.
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So where are these helmets now?
Planet Hollywood has one (I presume a hero) - I photo'd this 4-5 years ago.
LFL has at least one if not two?
I distinctly remember Christies auctioning one off in London in 1980/81 and it going for £12,000. I remember this as a teenager and wishing I had £12k
1)Planet Hollywood had a hero but I do not know it's location currently, it may of been returned.
2) A hero is in the LFL archives -
3) Paul Allen owns the ESB stunt which features at a recent museum and pics are on this forum.
4) The warwick Davis is another point of interest, if you had to put it into a category it would be ESB, let the large vent not fool anyone to thinking it's ROTJ, there can be no dispute for the dome not being ESB either.
5) Kurtz owned one of the ESB's but I don't know what happened since, I believe it was sold.
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Others?
Given budget constraints I'd expect the remaining helmet were re-used is RotJ, although we dont know if they were refurbished.
Cheers
I struggle to believe more than 3 ESB's were used for Jedi, personally I think it's 2 myself. I do know that a few Jedi helmets that were made were turned into Tour pieces rather then their original intention. However it is my opinion and (I'm no ROTJ expert) that only 3 helmets were used on screen, one hero featured most of the time and there was another hero with the stunt being the 3rd mask. I also know one hero and the stunt had the same hat mount as ESB from photographic evidence, I don't know about the 3rd helmet.