It is currently Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:49 am

All times are UTC


THE PROP DEN is primarily a Darth Vader Prop Discussion Board, but we also deal with other Star Wars Props as well as Prop Replicas from other movies. If you do not yet have an account, set one up, sign in and jump into the Vader Prop Discussions!


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 199 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 14  Next
Author Enter your Message here
 Post subject: The complete ANH Vader Mask
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:03 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:36 pm
Posts: 405
Location: england
The original Vader mask was sculpted with a front and back - I invite your questions and comments.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:23 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:45 pm
Posts: 60
I'm not sure I understand you here. Are you asking if its true or simply speculating fact and looking for confirmation?

Either way, I think he only made the face front since that was all that was necessary.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:25 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:26 am
Posts: 338
The dome part of the helmet is huge! It looks really good though. Did you sculpt the mask part on a lifecast of David and the dome by itself?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:28 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:54 pm
Posts: 263
Location: LAS VEGAS NV.
Alex SL4182 wrote:
I'm not sure I understand you here. Are you asking if its true or simply speculating fact and looking for confirmation?

Either way, I think he only made the face front since that was all that was necessary.


VaderMan is the man who sculpted THE WHOLE helmet.. He is the reason why we are all into this hobby.. :wink: its a fact. i saw pictures the plaster sculpture of the mask on the web.. i cant remember where..


Top
 Profile E-mail  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:37 pm 
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:58 am
Posts: 10622
Location: Denmark
I have seen a few pictures of a plaster cast - I think it was sold through eBay long ago. That one had the facemask done front to back as a one-piece on what appeared to be a lifecast of the upper chest and head of a strongly built guy. I think it was reported not to be real, but definitely has some interesting features.

Plaster cast to the left:
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The complete ANH Vader Mask
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:52 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:37 pm
Posts: 165
Location: Orlando, FL
vaderman wrote:
The original Vader mask was sculpted with a front and back - I invite your questions and comments.


So the mask itself was 2 parts both front and back, that would clamshell together over Prowse's head, then the dome over that? I would imagine that would have been terribly claustrophobic, cumbersome. and god awful hot.

Very interesting information to note though.

Do photos exist of this original set up? That would be really cool to see!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The complete ANH Vader Mask
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:55 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:24 pm
Posts: 361
Location: Berlin
vaderman wrote:
The original Vader mask was sculpted with a front and back - I invite your questions and comments.


It may sound funny, but I always guessed that you have done it that way - like a full robot head. Looking at my TM faceplate, the way the faceplate almost "wraps" around the back half of the head, it seemed to me that there was more material originally. What was the plan regarding a connection of both front and back of the faceplate (i.e. like the Threepio head)? Did you think of a dome/faceplate connecting mechanism, or was that up to the prop guys who were finishing the helmet?

BTW, I am really curious to hear what you think of that plaster cast...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:23 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:36 pm
Posts: 405
Location: england
Midnight Trooper wrote:
The dome part of the helmet is huge! It looks really good though. Did you sculpt the mask part on a lifecast of David and the dome by itself?


Yes I sculpted the front and back of the mask (complete) on a lifecast of Dave Prowse. The complete mask was moulded and cast in plaster and I then sculpted the helmet over it.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:29 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:36 pm
Posts: 405
Location: england
NoHumorMan wrote:
I have seen a few pictures of a plaster cast - I think it was sold through eBay long ago. That one had the facemask done front to back as a one-piece on what appeared to be a lifecast of the upper chest and head of a strongly built guy. I think it was reported not to be real, but definitely has some interesting features.

Plaster cast to the left:
Image


I have a photograph that may answer this but I'm having problems trying to put it on the forum (trying to get to grips with the technology :conf )

Brian


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The complete ANH Vader Mask
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:35 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:36 pm
Posts: 405
Location: england
slasher x wrote:
vaderman wrote:
The original Vader mask was sculpted with a front and back - I invite your questions and comments.


So the mask itself was 2 parts both front and back, that would clamshell together over Prowse's head, then the dome over that? I would imagine that would have been terribly claustrophobic, cumbersome. and god awful hot.

Very interesting information to note though.

Do photos exist of this original set up? That would be really cool to see!

The front and back was sculpted as one but the two halves were only created by the moulding and casting process.

As you state it was very claustrophobic and hot and was discarded.

I have a photo to show this but as I stated in my previous post to NoHumourman I haven't got to grips with the technology to upload it.

Brian


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:36 pm 
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:58 am
Posts: 10622
Location: Denmark
In case you were planning on using photobucket which is a free picture hosting site:

http://photobucket.com/

http://thepropden.aokforums.com/how-to- ... vt286.html


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The complete ANH Vader Mask
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:42 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:36 pm
Posts: 405
Location: england
vadermania wrote:
vaderman wrote:
The original Vader mask was sculpted with a front and back - I invite your questions and comments.


It may sound funny, but I always guessed that you have done it that way - like a full robot head. Looking at my TM faceplate, the way the faceplate almost "wraps" around the back half of the head, it seemed to me that there was more material originally. What was the plan regarding a connection of both front and back of the faceplate (i.e. like the Threepio head)? Did you think of a dome/faceplate connecting mechanism, or was that up to the prop guys who were finishing the helmet?

BTW, I am really curious to hear what you think of that plaster cast...


The three clips on top of the mask were for connecting the back and front together and velcro to be used for the neck area. I had no input with the connecting mechanism - I'm not sure but I think it was Special Effects who were responsible for it.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:45 pm 
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:58 am
Posts: 10622
Location: Denmark
I may not be the best to teach how the picture hosting sites work, but I can host the picture for you until you figure things out. Let me know and I can pm you my e-mail address.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The complete ANH Vader Mask
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:49 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:24 pm
Posts: 361
Location: Berlin
vaderman wrote:

The three clips on top of the mask were for connecting the back and front together and velcro to be used for the neck area. I had no input with the connecting mechanism - I'm not sure but I think it was Special Effects who were responsible for it.


That's cool, thanks for answering my question, Brian.

I have learned from an interview you did with Thomas/SithLord (posted on Jez' website) that the dome was sculpted on a plaster cast of the faceplate. Were there changes/alterations made to the plaster faceplate before it got molded to produce the fibreglass castings for the shoot? Or was a mold taken from your original clay sculpt of the faceplate to produce the final fibreglass faceplates?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 8:56 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:12 pm
Posts: 1067
So that's what the three tabs were for. That's a major question answered.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 199 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 14  Next

All times are UTC


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
cron
Blue Moon by Trent © 2007
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
Hosted by Freeforum.ca, get your free forum now! TOS | Support Forums | Report a violation
buy web visitors
MultiForums powered by echoPHP phpBB MultiForums