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Author: | BA100583 [ Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: On the subject of the Christie's - PIH 2012 Helmet |
Rick used the fine finishing fiberglass cloth on the domes, like as it could have been seen, but not the the faces. At least not the 2 or 3 I handled. Best Brandon |
Author: | Darth Obsession [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:02 am ] |
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Oh, thank God, I thought I was going to have to come back here and tell everyone this thing wasn't a screen used hero. Between the thick, rounded edge of the neck, the overall softness of the casting (totally unlike the other helmet, which is sharp and defined) and the paint job which really doesn't match anything. I actually considered the thought that maybe he made himself the helmet or as someone said he took a tour helmet and reworked it. It definitely appears to have been made to be worn, originally anyway, but I wouldn't want to wear it as you can't see in it and you can't breathe. There you go VM, that's what I make of this helmet. Man, I'm afraid to go to work, I'll come back home and there will be three more pages to read. Glad I have the day off tomorrow. No Humor Man wrote: And Darth Obsession - nice spotting of that pretty distinctive painted nick on the neck on that helmet. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Lambotour wrote: No Humor Man wrote: And Darth Obsession - nice spotting of that pretty distinctive painted nick on the neck on that helmet. Only issue with that is that the clapperboard helmet IS the Hero helmet and the chamber helmet and it didn't look anything like that helmet at the end of filming. It may have sustained damage later on though, who knows. Are you trying to say that the clapperboard Vader and the meditation chamber Vader are the same one? Because from where I'm sitting clapperboard is clearly the Planet Hollywood Vader. You can see the damage to the cheekbone and whisker and whatever you call that other area and there is damage at the bottom front edge of the neck that can also be seen on the PHV. --- John |
Author: | Sith-Smith [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:20 am ] |
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For you guys that had the chance to meet and or interview Ron Punter what has he had to say about the mask he owns. It's an interesting piece but I'm curious about the back story to it and what work or alterations he did to it. -Dwayne |
Author: | vadermania [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:07 am ] |
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Sith-Smith wrote: For you guys that had the chance to meet and or interview Ron Punter what has he had to say about the mask he owns. It's an interesting piece but I'm curious about the back story to it and what work or alterations he did to it. -Dwayne Ron said that it has been used by Prowse in ESB. It was in his paintshop for conversion into ROTJ, but it kind of "slipped through". Later, when Ron told the production about it, they said he can keep it. In one of the posted images I've just noticed a little hole on top of the faceplate, close to the slit where the top strap goes through. What if there were no cast tabs on that faceplate, but original working tabs which have been removed prior to conversion into ESB? |
Author: | Too Much Garlic [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:56 am ] |
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vadermania wrote: In one of the posted images I've just noticed a little hole on top of the faceplate, close to the slit where the top strap goes through. What if there were no cast tabs on that faceplate, but original working tabs which have been removed prior to conversion into ESB? That's my thought as well, because they do not seem to match up with the screen used ANH tab hole placements, or there would be a lot more hole impressions. That's why I made the comment that it might have been one of the 2 other ANH helmets. It was mentioned that they were converted, so why not. Though, it could be the placement distance as seen with the tour helmet brackets. And Darth Obsession - the softness is clearly the result of thick paint. Maybe that's even the reason it wasn't converted to RotJ in the first place, because it had been painted too thickly, making it soft. Of course, that's just speculation on my part. However, the way the TM helmet was painted, we know for a fact that thick paint can hide all sorts of details and sharpness. |
Author: | vadermania [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:37 am ] |
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During my conversation with Ron he also mentioned that he painted all the OT Vader helmets plus he was responsible for the gold plating on 3PO, the ark and the headpiece of the staff of Ra. On Rons faceplate I have also noticed that there are damaged spots underneath the final coat of paint that were just painted over (particularly around the eyes, on the nosebridge). Taking a closer look at the cut profile of PCV mounting ring itself, I would also guess that this could be the Hoth Rebel command center faceplate, because the higher rim in the back could indicate that the dome angle is different compared to the other ESB helmets. |
Author: | vadermania [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:49 am ] |
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BA100583 wrote: Hi all, Note also that Ron's helmet contains a fine-weave finishing layer of fiberglass, visible on the inside of the face. I have never seen another Vader face like this - film used, or tour. Where Ron's helmet fits in is a bit of a mystery. Best Brandon Hi Brandon, on a closer look it appears that this is not a fine-weave finishing layer of fiberglass, but some sort of real cloth, because the surface below (some yellow spots from glue or so) shines through the fine holes. Perhaps this was added to keep the sweat from dripping on the chest armour. On some other spots you could get a glimpse of that typical criscross fiberglass material that was used on the other helmets. I'd also love to see the real colour of the eye lenses - it seems like some coloured gel was attached behind. |
Author: | Too Much Garlic [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:53 pm ] |
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It would actually be an interesting experiment to try and pair that face mask with a dome, then, to see how it sits. Regarding the lenses... do you mean similar to the way it has been described for the screen used ANH and the original lenses that Darth Jones were allowed to take home? |
Author: | gonk27 [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:09 pm ] |
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BA100583 wrote: Rick used the fine finishing fiberglass cloth on the domes, like as it could have been seen, but not the the faces. At least not the 2 or 3 I handled. Best Brandon Thanks Brandon, I didn't know that. I was struck by the coincidence through that Ron and Rick's are the only helmets (I assume) that used fibreglass cloth. vadermania wrote: Hi Brandon, on a closer look it appears that this is not a fine-weave finishing layer of fiberglass, but some sort of real cloth, because the surface below (some yellow spots from glue or so) shines through the fine holes. Perhaps this was added to keep the sweat from dripping on the chest armour. On some other spots you could get a glimpse of that typical criscross fiberglass material that was used on the other helmets. I'd also love to see the real colour of the eye lenses - it seems like some coloured gel was attached behind. Hi Tom, the lenses on Ron's facemask looked yellowy-brownish to me. That texture on the plastic isn't from a gel, but a clear dye or glass paint that's been applied to the inside. It's 'fish-eyed' all over the place as I assume the plastic wasn't cleaned well enough first, but if you apply this stuff properly you get a nice clear and even coating that looks just like a coloured plastic once it's dry. I've seen some close up photos of the PA stunt eyes from the outside that seem to show faint brown streaks just like Ron's helmet from the outside, although they don't show up at all in the auction photo at the start of this thread. (Thanks for posting those black and whites by the way!) |
Author: | Lambotour [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:54 pm ] |
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BA100583 wrote: The ESB stunt helmet, and one other privately owned ESB movie helmet, are the only two helmets I have seen with correct ESB grills. They have mounting rings that match each other, but do not match the MOTM helmet. This is the reason I believe the MOTM helmet is a tour helmet rather than film used. Best, Brandon Brandon, the MOTM faceplate has certain details that are present on the TM (supposedly cast from a ESB production mold) and also direct casts from the RB mold that match screenused faceplates. From what I can tell of tour faceplates, most of the details have been cleaned up. One distinct detail on the MOTM faceplate is the paint drip that runs down the neck. I've not seen that on any tour faceplate although, of course, I haven't seen every tour faceplate either. Did the MOTM have tabs from what you remember? Darth Obsession wrote: Are you trying to say that the clapperboard Vader and the meditation chamber Vader are the same one? Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. If you look around on one of the hundreds of threads that are on the Den, you should find the proof. Unless of course it was discussed privately which could also be the case, but either way they are one in the same. |
Author: | BA100583 [ Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:45 pm ] |
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Ron's faceplate is largely fine weave finishing fiberglass cloth, but it may actually be a "top layer" on top of a typical fiberglass and it may only be around the outer edges of the mask (perhaps where it would contact the skin.) I don't think there is any real cloth involved. Best Brandon |
Author: | VaderCapeC [ Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:36 am ] |
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Hey Darth Obsession Thought this pic was cool to show facemask. |
Author: | Darth Obsession [ Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:11 pm ] |
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That is a cool pic. But I was looking for a close up of a face mask without the dome. |
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