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Author:  CSMacLaren [ Sat May 17, 2008 12:12 am ]
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NoHumorMan wrote:
CSMacLaren wrote:
There's some follow-up questions to that too, depending on the response!

LOL... just ask the questions, silly man... instead of jacking up your post count! :blah



Aw come on, man, I didn't want him to feel the follow-up questions were the point, as I'm building up something here. Throw me a lightsaber here! :toothy

Author:  Too Much Garlic [ Sat May 17, 2008 12:13 am ]
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CSMacLaren wrote:
NoHumorMan wrote:
CSMacLaren wrote:
There's some follow-up questions to that too, depending on the response!

LOL... just ask the questions, silly man... instead of jacking up your post count! :blah

Aw come on, man, I didn't want him to feel the follow-up questions were the point, as I'm building up something here. Throw me a lightsaber here! :toothy

Only if you can't catch... it won't be funny otherwise... :lol :thefinger

Author:  CSMacLaren [ Sat May 17, 2008 12:16 am ]
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Brian,

Thanks for the answer on NHM's post. Just so that I understand....

When I blow up this grainy and small pic and correct for some noise, I get this:

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If I were to mark the "U" on the left in red and the line coming from over the shoulder to Kermit's right side of the face, the photo looks this way....

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... however, you're saying that it's more like this (note the purple line)

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I notice the over-the-shoulder arch of the black area has a slight stepped deformation which suggests the purple line marks the end of a beveled surface. I exaggerated the bevel on the "horizon" to illustrate it more clearly. Would this have been how you made the armor?

Author:  vaderman [ Sat May 17, 2008 12:49 am ]
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Hi Mac,

Looking again at the photos the lines don't look right to me - I need to look at some screen originals

Brian

Author:  Too Much Garlic [ Sat May 17, 2008 11:18 am ]
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Your input is much appreciated. To think to get the answers directly from the man who created the sculpts... it just feels kinda unprecedented in my time in the hobby. It's beyond awesome. :cheers

Author:  CSMacLaren [ Sat May 17, 2008 2:21 pm ]
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vaderman wrote:
Hi Mac,

Looking again at the photos the lines don't look right to me - I need to look at some screen originals

Brian



Okidokey...

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Author:  CSMacLaren [ Sat May 17, 2008 2:24 pm ]
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And...

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Author:  CSMacLaren [ Sat May 17, 2008 2:28 pm ]
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Death Star duel...

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Author:  CSMacLaren [ Sat May 17, 2008 2:37 pm ]
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This one's interesting...

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And so that we know the context of the lighting placement:

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As I look at the outer line of the right "U", there is a dark area at the end of the line that looks like it's curving inwards. It's almost as if the right ridge is starting to fade off while widening to create that curve.

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Author:  vaderman [ Sat May 17, 2008 3:52 pm ]
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Thanks Mac for the screen capture.

The lines are as you've marked in red except the top of the longer line does not round in - originally it was all one plane and I marked the lines on the clay and carved the clay away to form the lines. At the top where the lines begin it does not round over it just gives that appearance because a pocket is created from rounding it in to that one point.

Just to reiterate the form is rounded down at the top but there is no curve of the line.

I hope this explains it - it's hard to put it into words.

Brian

Author:  Too Much Garlic [ Sat May 17, 2008 3:55 pm ]
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Okay... so the U edges/lines stop and plane out into the rest of the armor. The lines don't continue up to the neck and up above the shoulders as I illustrated, then!?

Author:  vaderman [ Sat May 17, 2008 4:01 pm ]
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NoHumorMan wrote:
Okay... so the U edges/lines stop and plane out into the rest of the armor. The lines don't continue up to the neck and up above the shoulders as I illustrated, then!?


That's correct

Brian

Author:  Too Much Garlic [ Sat May 17, 2008 4:04 pm ]
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Okay... gotcha. Thanks for that! :thumbsup

Author:  CSMacLaren [ Sat May 17, 2008 4:14 pm ]
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Based on how NHM described it just now, is in effect what you had sculpted? Please pardon the simplistic and exaggerated illustration.

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Author:  vaderman [ Sat May 17, 2008 5:24 pm ]
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Hi Mac,

Your illustration shows the line and the return down is at 90 degress as you have it - it is not a flat ground from one side to the other (meaning the area in the centre of the lines )but curved. It is curved in at the top which gives the illusion of the line turning in

I don't know if your graphic skills allow for that type of illustration.

Brian

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