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 Post subject: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:17 am 
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I had the chance of watching R1 last night. Besides the point that I think they did a really good job in making a SW worthy movie and telling an interesting story I have to say I was not too fond of the new vader helmet. I think the cod piece has been discussed already in great detail so I was wondering what you guys think of the helmet.

IMO it's a completely new helmet and is not resembling any OT helmet. Unfortunately I don't have any high res screen caps (yet) to analyze it in more detail I felt it was lacking the menacing presence of the dark lord. I am also wondering why a new helmet was made when they could have just taken a perfectly ANH copy from the (LFL) shelves.

Well, happy to hear your thoughts :)


P.S.: For reference I've attached a (low res) promotional picture of the full R1 suit.


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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:38 pm 
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The helmet in the movie looks like a plastic toy...


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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:47 pm 
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I haven't seen the movie yet - will see it next Thursday.

I'm puzzled by all the fuss of the Vader Helmet. From what I've seen so far, overall I like it. It's a definite hybrid between ANH (in particular the chin vent and the widows peak) and ESB, the shiny newness, dome placement, maybe paint scheme.

To me it looks like a worthy addition of the OT trilogy family of Vader helmets - whereas Revenge of the Sith an awful disappointment.

And I don't think LFL could just grab one of their old casts off the shelf and insert into the movie. They likely had to remake the helmet to fit the new Vader actor.


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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:45 pm 
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I wasn't fan of the helmet. It had an odd looking neck and I didn't like the paint up of it. It looked like something that came off of an assembly line.

Also Vader in general had a slight hunched back and looked a little thicker around he mid section oppose to the previous films.

Movie was excellent though. Just great and loads of action with a fun story.


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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:19 am 
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Saw the movie on wednesday and have to say that I am very unhappy with Vaders appearance. Helmet shape looked good to me, but as said here before it looked like a plastic toy coming from an assembly line. The figure was lacking menace and massiveness. It reminded me on a touring Vader appearance, like someone was "acting" as Vader, not really "being" him. Some good ideas though visually, like the Bacta tank and his scene with the rebel soldiers...


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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:00 pm 
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I liked very much the look in the final scene.

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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:28 pm 
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I'm off to see it today :toothy


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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:23 pm 
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Totally wrong actor and the helmet was just horrible. Nearly ruined the scenes for me. :banger


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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:33 pm 
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Jup just can agree.
The parts for the costume, despite the cod really had could give him a great look, but the actor ruined it completly with his shape.
And cause of his horrible shape all the parts as the helmet as well were placed wrong.
Helmet dome to short, the neck of the mask to wide and to long and the red bunny eyes are the cherry on the cake.

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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:36 am 
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I enjoyed the movie, but it was a very long winded way of explaining how the Death Stars plans got stolen, I think Disney/Lucasfilm have tried way too hard to build a backstory.

Tarken and Princess Leia looked particularly CGI.

Vader seemed like he was hunched or the mask was sitting too low on the shoulders.

Enough whining from me, it was still great to see all those old style costumes, props and Vader back on the big screen :)

Happy days :cheers


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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:49 pm 
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The film was a boring desaster.The Vaderhelmet looks also cheap and wrong in the first scenes.
At the end it looked better.I think they used smoked lenses there and not red ones like before?


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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:44 am 
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kroenen77 wrote:
I think they used smoked lenses there and not red ones like before?


They never were red anytime. :wink:
Or do you mean that they changed the lenses while filming?


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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:47 am 
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Turrican wrote:
kroenen77 wrote:
I think they used smoked lenses there and not red ones like before?


They never were red anytime. :wink:
Or do you mean that they changed the lenses while filming?


I think in the first scenes they looked more red(can also be the lightning)...

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but at the ending not.


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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:01 pm 
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Image from deleted scene:

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 Post subject: Re: Rogue One Darth Vader helmet discussion
PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:09 pm 
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Yeah, the costume could be better. The problem is that, when they make these films, costume people are brought in and they say, "oooo, Star Wars - we are going to do it REALLY nice this time!" And they are excited in that very green way.

Here is an example of a mistake. With the money and dedication they would obviously make a very very very nice cape with tailoring and all that. But perhaps what they don't realize is that the original cape was just a flat, half circle (basically) - and as such, with no "shoulders" sewn in it pulled to the sides and caused it to hang open such that audience could see all the robot stuff down the center.

Someone trying to make it "nice" might put shoulders in - big mistake.

Helmet - using an archived helmet or the SL or a Gino or the DJ or any of that would have been far better.

But the armor - I think it is not so much the actor's shape - I doubt it was resculpted to his body. I suspect someone got a copy of armor that has distorted over time and, believe me, the LFL armors that have been made for various purposes over time have also distorted. When Kermit Eller put on the costume it looked just fine. It's not the actor - it's the costume people. Easy fix for a lot of us out here. Say what you will of Gino but I would have loved to have seen his ANH costume on this guy.

Film could have done more with less ambition - smaller story with more hardship. Should have been more hard and intimate. I suspect Kathleen Kennedy may have ideas about Star Wars that do not connect with the consumers. Her concern, and rightly, is the "brand" but, as such, it might cause them to repeat themselves over and over. This is idea of "brand" is so dumb I can't even begin. "Brand" means repeat yourself over and over. In every profession.


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