vadermania wrote:
Darth Karo wrote:
Thanks Tom and Hal for your input. Tom, I was going to clarify a few things about what was written, but you already did. There is fact mixed with fiction in regards to what JN wrote. I own a cast from that supposed original 4th pull and like you say there are differences from mine compared to the screen used helmet.
I also don't buy that Leornard's "reworked" vader is the subsequent version used for vader. Anyone who knows anything about OT vaders knows that there is no symmetry to them. ROTS is another story.
Interestingly enough, I was told by Paul H. that he acquired the fourth pull from JN basically because he wanted to present a copy of it to Brian Muir as a gift, because Brian had no cast of his own work. According to Paul he paid big$$$ for it. Why, if they still own an original ANH Vader helmet (it was me who found the pics of the ANH Vader helmet in Pauls storage btw) do they have to buy the fourth pull then?
Okay, back to the VP: Anson, is the faceplate you own painted or unpainted? If I compare the pics of your VP faceplate with my original TM faceplate, it looks like my TM faceplate has more surface detail which has been sanded away on the VP.
Tom
Well Paul H. is as full of BS as they come. I know Brian Muir and he has nothing to do with Paul and they've never talked about Vader. Paul got ripped off on something he's making up stories about this fourth pull. I've seen images of that helmet and yes it's like a GH so it might be from a DP mold but there's no way it's from the original mold. When people say oh this or that came from the original mold they don't even know what they are talking about in terms of what the original mold was or what the steps were in making the helmet. The original mold was destroyed right at the end of the production so DP didn't have access to it. And Paul H. doesn't own an original ANH helmet. His stories as he related to me and then what I heard he had told other people later on changed. The basis is that Norman got the helmet from Brian Muir and Muir never had a helmet or any props from SW and never sold anything to Paul H. Paul H. makes up these stories about props endlessly in order to resell them at inflated prices at auction using their Elstree Props name. Elstree Props has no affiliation with Elstree studios but they act like they are affiliated and use the Elstree name . Their tactics are fraudulent.
No reworked Vader helmet appeared onscreen. As Vadermania said the DP was just the basis for a commercial helmet project that never materialized...at least that's what the GH/Jeff helmet seems to be.
The Gino faceplate is not VP, not by a long shot.
Let's not get lost in semantics like what is ANH or ESB. The TM is from ESB, the VP is from ROTJ. But they are both from an ANH template.
And as I said before, the VP and TM have comparable details and sharpness except in the places where the VP has been cleaned up. The TM might be a hair sharper in places but surprisingly the VP is also a hair sharper in other places. Overall of course the TM has retained much more of the original details because it's ESB, not ROTJ era.