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 Post subject: Is this ANH (Kermit) Prop a GhostHost style?
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:10 pm 
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For those who are more studied in GH styles, is this following helmet of the GH style or perhaps its progenitor? I'm unfamiliar with the background of the GH.

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Similar angle but a very different look and possibly different in aesthetics altogether:

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Kermit was wearing the original ANH helmet, so I would say no - if that is a confirmed Kermit picture. The type of camera can account for many differences between the look of the same helmet in various pictures.

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Gotchya.

In another post, you mentioned there were two types of helmets: ANH and the GH style. I'm confused. I thought Brian Muir only made one kind.

Could you explain? Thanks.

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I don't think it is a Kermit picture, it looks "too new" I think it could possibly be a replica worn by a member on the RPF called GW2Tulsa I think ? He did have a cool suit if I remember correctly. It was a GH helmet too.


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Here's an enhancement of the eye area.

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GH is Ghost Host.


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CSMacLaren wrote:
Gotchya.
In another post, you mentioned there were two types of helmets: ANH and the GH style. I'm confused. I thought Brian Muir only made one kind.
Could you explain? Thanks.

No, you got me wrong. I said: original style & GH style.

The TM, DJ, VP, 20th C, Elstree RotJ... and I think a few others are Original style casts and share more idiosyncrasies with the original ANH/ESB/RotJ helmets than the GH style helmets, which have very specific differences, which make them easily recognizable - especially from the front and the left side.

That angle is imo where the GH style helmets look their absolute best and most accurate - if that is indeed a GH (style) helmet.

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NoHumorMan wrote:
CSMacLaren wrote:
Gotchya.
In another post, you mentioned there were two types of helmets: ANH and the GH style. I'm confused. I thought Brian Muir only made one kind.
Could you explain? Thanks.

No, you got me wrong. I said: original style & GH style.

The TM, DJ, VP, 20th C, Elstree RotJ... and I think a few others are Original style casts and share more idiosyncrasies with the original ANH/ESB/RotJ helmets than the GH style helmets, which have very specific differences, which make them easily recognizable - especially from the front and the left side.

That angle is imo where the GH style helmets look their absolute best and most accurate - if that is indeed a GH (style) helmet.


Oh..... I get it now. Thanks for the explanation.

And by the Elstree ROTJ, you're referring to the helmet Paul's father owns, right?

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CSMacLaren wrote:
Oh..... I get it now. Thanks for the explanation.

Cool. You're welcome.

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And by the Elstree ROTJ, you're referring to the helmet Paul's father owns, right?

No.

The picture from Elstree is an ANH. The Elstree RotJ was only named that by Jez, BingoBongo275, because he didn't know what else to call it, when putting it on his site... and notice: it's a RotJ.

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CSMacLaren wrote:
And by the Elstree ROTJ, you're referring to the helmet Paul's father owns, right?


... NOPE ... The "Elstree ROTJ" got his name from Jez (BingoBongo275)
as far as I remember - the Helmet needed a Name when it appeared
on the Scene, and since the Maker trys to remain anonymous Jez just
named it "the Elstree ROTJ" when he added pics to his site.

This is my "Elstree ROTJ" from the first run of only 10 (there was a 2nd
run of only 5 with the Dome-flare slightly reduced)



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CSMacLaren wrote:
Here's an enhancement of the eye area.

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paulcarson wrote:
I don't think it is a Kermit picture, it looks "too new" I think it could possibly be a replica worn by a member on the RPF called GW2Tulsa I think ? He did have a cool suit if I remember correctly. It was a GH helmet too.


I believe you are correct.


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Yup - just to confirm a few years back the first owner (who contacted me) sent me pics of his helmet and we needed to give it a name so I called it the Elstree since he said IIRC it was cast from a helmet found at the Studios there. Not sure if its linked to Paul's father or not (I dont think it was but may be wrong).

Beats calling it the "Boreham Wood" I suppose :lol

BTW the GH (again IIRC) was cast from a helmet (or possibly Mould) that Don Post had used to create the Tour helmets and thus supposedly 2nd gen from an original ANH. Correct in the point earlier that DP made some changes which are present on the tour and GH helmets. (note that the DP Tour has no connection with the DP Deliuxe helmets - but I suppose everyone knows that here)


The TM, DJ, VP, 20th C all seem to have the same ancestry - namely an original ANH helmet (with in many of them suggestions of the give away forehead tabs).

SO ultimately they have the same "parent" although in the case of the GH, some changes by DP made it a little different. Beautiful helmet though and the best dome imo.

I think this is right.

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Still haven't seen an ANH tour helmet that looks like a GH. Have only seen the original helmet on ANH tour pictures.

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JRX wrote:
CSMacLaren wrote:
And by the Elstree ROTJ, you're referring to the helmet Paul's father owns, right?


... NOPE ... The "Elstree ROTJ" got his name from Jez (BingoBongo275)
as far as I remember - the Helmet needed a Name when it appeared
on the Scene, and since the Maker trys to remain anonymous Jez just
named it "the Elstree ROTJ" when he added pics to his site.

This is my "Elstree ROTJ" from the first run of only 10 (there was a 2nd
run of only 5 with the Dome-flare slightly reduced)



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I originally owned your particular Elstree JRX :) The photo's on Jez's site are of this very helmet :)


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Yes I haven't seen a GH as a tour helmet either, but the implication is that the GH was intended by Don Post studios for the tour or for distribution but they then decided to stick with a more "toy-like" version of the helmet. Even back then it was important not to let the Vader helmet get "out there" because of the potential for rip-off or bootleg versions of the helmet to appear for sale. Or worse, that the helmet be modified and used by another production company in a second-rate sci-fi movie. That was very common back then, and the reason, for example, that Stanley Kubrick had all the models of 2001: A Space Odessey destroyed. Someone really needs to check with Don Post himself on this, but I've heard (not sure if it's true) that he's really not interested at all in talking about his work on Star Wars products back then.....the only thing is appears to be for certain is that the Ghosthost helmet/armor/chestbox came from a source at Don Post studios. And we know that Don Post studios had possession of the original screen suit for molding purposes. No one else seems to have both a complete ANH helmet (faceplate and dome), ANH armor and ANH chestbox castings. Of course this could lead to another argument with you-know-who, but we've been there before :P.


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