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 Post subject: ESB or ROTJ Vader - Need help identifying
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:32 am 
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ESB or ROTJ?

I need help identifying this Vader so we can establish what time frame the photo was taken to help with a discussion about the stormtroopers. I figured this is the best place to ask about Vader, so any help is much appreciated :thumbsup


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That looks like an ESB promo Vader to me.

One belt box is ANH and the other one has more of the ESB features.

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Pure ESB as far as I can tell.

darth 456 wrote:
One belt box is ANH and the other one has more of the ESB features.

Err... what? Both are ESB.

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Here is another pic, where you can see the two different belt boxes.

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The left one is ANH, I think.

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No. There's nothing ANH about that one. What are you seeing on it that makes you think it's ANH?

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I think he means the ab plate. It's up side down on some (not all!) of the ESB armors.
On most of the ESB armors it's placed with the "right" side up, just like on the ANH armors.

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I´m talking about vader not the stormtroopers.

In my opinion if you look closely at the left vader belt box, it looks different to the right one, because it looks as though it is not in one piece (there could be a lid on the front) like ANH.

However it could be that I am wrong.

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No worries man! :cheers

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Guys

Paul and I aretrying to work out what year the photo was taken, since its something that has bugged us trooper fans for a LONG time.

The Stormtroopr on the right realy looks like an RotJ-style (despite the grey ANH frown) but could still possibly be an ANH (but with a very odd and wonky).

Hence the thought was if you guys can say that its an ESB Vader then it points to the photo being taken around 1980. In which case we have a rather odd stormtrooper issue that Paul thinks he's got an answer to

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If I can toss my 2 cents in... I don't see one box being different at all. The details are the same on both, they are shaped the same way, and there is no lid on either of them. The photo is perhaps a little unclear, and I can see how one might get the impression that there might be a line indicating a lid, but I really think it's an illusion. Besides, with the details all being exactly the same on each box they can't be different versions. Neither box has the red bezels under the switch knobs, neither box has square textured lights, and neither box has the larger horizontal feature under the lights that ANH had.


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The Vader is pure ESB.

That picture was used on the Topps Red Series 1 ESB cards back in 1980. My guess would be that it was taken between 1979-1980. You'd have to find out exactly when Topps released that set in 1980 and figure at least a few months prior to that. One thing for sure, it was taken prior to the release of ROTJ (and maybe even ESB) since Topps released the card series in 1980. If you guys can confirm that's an ROTJ bucket (style), then they already had ROTJ buckets during the time prior to ESB.

Here's the pic used on one of the cards at that time:

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That bucket is ESB and the boxes are ESB. My question is about the cape. There doesn't seem to be a leather strip along the bottom of the cape, which would make it ANH. It's difficult to tell because the pic is pretty dark along the bottom edge of the cape, but I don't see any hint of the leather strip.


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Here's a larger version:

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