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 Post subject: Accurate Fett visor installation.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:44 am 
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A quick and dirty video by me.
This relates to Lee's topic about the MR taper and out of respect for him, I have started a separate thread.

This video is meant to be educational and I dont demand anyone agree with my observations about the MR helmets.

Even if you disagree with me about the reason for the MR pinch, it should at least help you better see the area Lee was talking about as a feature of the original helmets.
This video shows the mandible jutting out, and the original way the visors were installed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4JAKwH9Jfc


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 Post subject: Re: Accurate Fett visor installation.
PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 5:35 am 
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I like the video. You're conversationally very articulate.

I'm not super-well-studied on Fett, but the mandible sticking out and not being flush against the visor does bother me.

In these following pics the mandible does not appear to stick out past the brow:

http://rstvideo.com/trailer/files/2011/ ... back14.jpg
http://celebrityink.eu/image/cache/data ... 0x1000.jpg
http://coolwatersprods.com/images/JEREMYBULLOCH.jpg

The GMH's mandible does appear to stick out past the brow. Can this be manipulated with some heat?

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 Post subject: Re: Accurate Fett visor installation.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:06 pm 
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Researched this with a friend. The screen used did use metal clamps but there were screw holes - and the screws actually went into the metal of the clamps, though some rubber washers and directly into the visor. So the visor had holes too but were not visible from the outside.

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 Post subject: Re: Accurate Fett visor installation.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:07 pm 
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CSMacLaren wrote:
I like the video. You're conversationally very articulate.


Thanks. I'm actually pretty embarrassed by it. I've never been driven to making a video before. :cool:

CSMacLaren wrote:
I'm not super-well-studied on Fett, but the mandible sticking out and not being flush against the visor does bother me.

In these following pics the mandible does not appear to stick out past the brow:

http://rstvideo.com/trailer/files/2011/ ... back14.jpg
http://celebrityink.eu/image/cache/data ... 0x1000.jpg
http://coolwatersprods.com/images/JEREMYBULLOCH.jpg

The GMH's mandible does appear to stick out past the brow. Can this be manipulated with some heat?


These are good points and the answers start to become clear with study.
The original helmets had varying degrees to the effect where the mandible juts out past the brow. Notably the PP2.
We have a casting of this helmet so it can be studied better in person, but here is a decent profile picture of a casting.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/ ... 36d96c.jpg
The PP2 helmet's visor currently is taped in at the bottom and missing one of the upper clamps so it may not be representative of how it always was.

This is similar to the PP3 which resides in the Lucasfilm archives and is probably the most well preserved example of an original helmet inasmuch as it is not severely cracked.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/ ... 31acc8.jpg
It's visor is also taped in however and the clamps are not engaged.

The ROTJ helmet in the current day is missing the upper visor clamp on its wearer's left side.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/ ... 8f2326.jpg
You can see the significant gap between the visor and mandible.

The point is there seems to be a tendency for the mandibles to stick out when not under pressure from the upper visor clamps.

The ESB helmet retains it visor mounting hardware and actually shows the least bit of space between the mandibles and visor.
You are correct that the mandibles dont jut out as much, but they still do. It can only be seen from a specific angle though.

Example, even looking.

http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/gallery/ ... photo=7093

But can be seen to extend beyond.

http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/gallery/ ... photo=7096

Hope that helps.


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 Post subject: Re: Accurate Fett visor installation.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:57 pm 
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CSMacLaren wrote:
Researched this with a friend. The screen used did use metal clamps but there were screw holes - and the screws actually went into the metal of the clamps, though some rubber washers and directly into the visor. So the visor had holes too but were not visible from the outside.


Well there was a bit of variation on the originals but no, I dont agree. No rubber washers anyway.
The clamps had screw holes but the holes were not threaded. A screw went through the hole and into a piece of metal which was threaded and puttied to the fiberglass of the helmet.
The clamp then put pressure on the upper visor but there were no holes or screws in the visor.

Here is mine which is a decent match for the PP2 helmet and to most extent, the ESB
This was my first attempt and the details are not perfect, but the method is the same as the originals
I have included an image to better represent the correct position.
Image

And here is a slight variation on the original ROTJ helmet. Here instead of a dome head screw it appears they used a threaded post and nut method.

Image


Now the bottom visor installation method is more straightforward.
This clamp did have a threaded hole. The cheesehead screw threaded through it and applied pressure on the visor.
http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/gallery/ ... hoto=10829


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 Post subject: Re: Accurate Fett visor installation.
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Yes, I'm sure it would be very good.

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