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 Post subject: Re: ESB and RotJ Vader helmet's -what do we know?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:02 am 
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a pvc connector? is that what i spy there? :ac10 i have a hard time beliving its screen used after seeing all of these photos. at least the shoulder bells are attached to the chest armor correctly. hmmmm, the cape chain hook is really bugging me. :nono

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 Post subject: Re: ESB and RotJ Vader helmet's -what do we know?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:23 am 
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a pvc connector? is that what i spy there? :ac10 i have a hard time beliving its screen used after seeing all of these photos. at least the shoulder bells are attached to the chest armor correctly. hmmmm, the cape chain hook is really bugging me. :nono

Seriously, what?

The PVC connector is what they used on the original ESB/RotJ helmets. The build-up on the mask to which the dome ring was attached to was done differently on the screen masks though.

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The way it is done on this one it resembles the 20th C style of the mount.

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What reference do you have to suggest that that is the accurate way of attaching the shoulder bells to the armor? And what's wrong with the cape hook?

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 Post subject: Re: ESB and RotJ Vader helmet's -what do we know?
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:53 pm 
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.. well the dome connector looks better than I expected. Next question for the owner would be, is it plastic or cast in resin?


Carsten, there is a set of armour in ESB that has the shoulder bells connected with the upper body portion with small hinges, seen in the "don't make me destroy you" sequence. The cape hook in this guy's vader armour looks way too big. I'm fairly sure the originals were old style curtain hooks. I had some at one point and the end that shows on the darth armour looks identical.


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Got a picture of that scene showing that armor? Seems it may be the stunt armor?

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ill try to get some better pics but here are a few things to show the armor i was talking about.

stunt- notice the shoulder bells are flush with the armor. ill dig around on my computer, i swear i have a pic of the piano hing somewhere....

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hero- the bells sit under the armor slightly

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and lastly, if you look very closely, youll see the cape hook here on ROTJ is a flat piece of brass, not a piece of wire.

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I'm not really seeing the hinges in that ESB shot. Same armor is also seen in the Meditation chamber scenes. No hinges. At least not anything visible on the outside of the armor of the attachment system.

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Hope it's okay to post this picture, otherwise I'll take it down - this is armor from a display.
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The cape hooks have been identified so is not just a flat piece of brass. They are a very specific shape and size and yes, it looks a little large on the casts shown off in these current photos - same kind of hook, just way too large.

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 Post subject: Re: ESB and RotJ Vader helmet's -what do we know?
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... I'll show a pic of the hinge as soon as my laptop's fixed.

(that is unless someone beats me to it)..


Look for a screencap around the time where Vader has his fist raised telling Luke he's his daddy, that may be where I'm thinking. The hinge is pretty small in frame though..


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 Post subject: Re: ESB and RotJ Vader helmet's -what do we know?
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I'll keep a watchful eye out for it. Could it be that it had a different attachment originally, but with the wind machines blowing... they had to rig another, more secure attachment, 'cause it is not seen in the other pictures of that same configuration style "stunt" armor. Or... they made multiples for various uses?

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The ESB stunt armor is also used in some hero shots.

As far as the hinges, Kermit Eller stated that the armor he wore during the tours also had hinges. Granted he did wear reproduced costume parts throughout his tours in addition to screenused parts, but he does remember the hinges.

Jez, could you get him to show you pics of the other attachment on the other helmet or are they the same? Still looks like a tour faceplate and yes very similar to the 20th C Carsten showed. With those new shots, it looks even more ESB than before.

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 Post subject: Re: ESB and RotJ Vader helmet's -what do we know?
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I can certainly ask him - however I dont want to string the guy out as it clearly isnt an original yet he has absolute belief that it is. So I'm going to tell him my thoughts first.

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Tell him its junk. :lol

Just kidding....

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Right, laptop's finally back in the land of the living. Here are the screencaps that I believe show the hinges on one particular set of ESB armour Carsten.



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Ah, indeed. Nice catch.

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I have been given permission by the owner to post these pictures of the mounting system. Maybe they will help.
I would also be interested to get to the bottom of this.
He claims that they are ESB, one original, one Tour.

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here's another one.....
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