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 Post subject: Re: Symmetry Study
PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:48 pm 
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Just had a little fun with the old line drawings. Thought I'd try tracing the symmetrical Vader to see how that looked. I kinda like it... but it also feels less menacing, imo.

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 Post subject: Re: Symmetri Study
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Funny. It just struck me that no one ever did a direct comparison between these versions and the real RotS. So, here goes: :thumbsup

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On the ROTS Vader, the mouth looks too long and the nose too small and thickened......it really frustrates me when i see what Vader could have looked like in ROTS.....

Can anyone recolour the idealised ANH to look all gloss black?

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 Post subject: Re: Symmetry Study
PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:25 pm 
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With the Rick Baker mould languishing in the Lucasfilm Archives all these years, it's so annoying that a cast from that wasn't used in Episode 3.

.. Would have been so easy and quick to do, it's ANH style would make chronological sense 'in-universe' and more importantly for the cost-conscious Mr Lucas would have eliminated the need for all that scanning and rapid-prototyping for the new helmet.

They'd probably want to clean it up and paint it all black, I can understand that, but at least it would still look right.


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 Post subject: Re: Symmetry Study
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:38 am 
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Scanning? No, they molded an actual helmet.

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 Post subject: Re: Symmetry Study
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gonk27 wrote:
With the Rick Baker mould languishing in the Lucasfilm Archives all these years, it's so annoying that a cast from that wasn't used in Episode 3.

Was my thought also.
That's still so strange against the overall intention by George to have an "used" and "non clinically" Universe.
Anyhow i think this is one of the points, why people have set their different preferences between OT and PT.


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 Post subject: Re: Symmetry Study
PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:00 pm 
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Too Much Garlic wrote:
Scanning? No, they molded an actual helmet.


Didn't they cast and clean up half a Vader face, then scan this, and flip the data to 'grow' the other half by rapid prototyping? The two halves were blended to form one symetrical face that was then moulded and cast...

I haven't watched the Ep3 behind the scenes stuff for a while, but that's what I thought they did..

A lot of work to go through when you have a perfectly useable mould already in storage!


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 Post subject: Re: Symmetry Study
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Ah, now I'm following you. :cheers

Yes, wasted opportunity and wasted money and wasted work and wasted end result.

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 Post subject: Re: Symmetry Study
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Totally - they just remade Vader so they could have their fingerprints on that character. In the behind the scenes thing when that guy said "everyone wanted to work on 'this'" he was talking mainly about himself I think. Kind of upset me too.

Your photo here above kicks immediate ass and doesn't turn Vader's nose into a NEAR CIRCLE!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Symmetry Study
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In the "Making of ROTS" video on the supplemental DVD, I really did not appreciate how Ivo and his team leveraged the ROTS Vader project as an improvement. It came across like they were putting down the original sculpt because it was asymmetrical and thus Ivo's team's work would be an improvement where Vader is now finally symmetrical as intended. Hogwash.

Michelangelo's David was not symmetrical.
The statue of Venus was not symmetrical.
The Mona Lisa was not symmetrical.

What Ivo and team did was an object of engineering.

What Brian Muir did was an object of art.

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 Post subject: Re: Symmetry Study
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Doesn't change the fact that if the symmetrical aspect of the project was done right, rather than how it was done, it could have retained a lot more of the original sculpts appearance and wouldn't have been such a disrespectful outcome. They tackled the project from the wrong perspective.

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 Post subject: Re: Symmetry Study
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CSMacLaren wrote:
What Ivo and team did was an object of engineering.

What Brian Muir did was an object of art.


Well put Mac! I couldn't agree more! :salut


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 Post subject: Re: Symmetri Study
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clancampbell wrote:
Can anyone recolour the idealised ANH to look all gloss black?

Cantina_Dude could do that, but I haven't heard from him in a long while now.

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Restored the pictures... and was reminded of how much fun it was to do them back then. Oh how so many things have changed.

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 Post subject: Re: Symmetry Study
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Finally did a new version of the symmetry study. Found a program that could morph between two pictures and the middle image was a perfectly averaged symmetrical image. Comparing to the old photoshop version it is clear that this is superior. This is what the ESB Poster helmet looks in its symmetrical form.

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Compared to the original version:
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Just did this in Photo Shop. A bit rushed... but what do you guys think?

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 Post subject: Re: Symmetry Study
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Wow nice job! Usually I prefer the asymmetric look, but in this case I think it looks better with the straight ahead symmetry. This particular mask with the slender neck and more apparent tilting of the face looks a bit feminine in the original asymmetric view. But the symmetric view looks more simply... youthful. And with the straight-ahead look more aggressive and sinister. Would have made an excellent ROTS!


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