What better 'sign' is there than a screen used mask?

All I see here is that no one wants to change their view on this topic. Who is to say it wasn't both ways? Not me....all I can tell anyone is what I have seen.

To suggest that I dont know what I am looking at is insulting and to say it must have been repainted is just a rediculous way of not wanting to acknowledge that clear is on a screen used mask.

That's exactly what I'm saying, but it is genuinely not my intention at all to be insulting.

Well I do know the difference.

And I am saying that you are just trying to discredit me because the facts here are contrary to your view....and that is just stupid.

Not at all. I'm sorry you see it that way.
I just don't like to see incorrect info being spread and eventually turned into accepted belief. It's that reason that I find myself involved in these types of discussions at all.

Well maybe you are not understanding me, I am saying at least 1 OT helmet has it. I am not disputing that there are helmets that are the way you say they are....that ROTJ bucket I saw appeard to be that way....

But until you see what I have seen (regarding the stunt) and done the 2 years or more worth of research that I have done and have had the chance to set it on a table in front of you for a full access look with several hundred reference photos that I personally took, I just think it is unreasonable to have any view based on belief and auction phots alone.

To each their own view I guess....

I got you the first time. I'm saying NONE of them did. At least at the time of filming.



I would never base any of my claims on photos alone. Especially one such as this.

Gentleman, this is simple.

For the Consistancy of the movie, the ESB dome IS Clearcoated or clear laquered as we say in the UK. Forget the odd helmet that sees little screen time, I'm talking about the Main helmets here.

Paul Allen has not and I'm sure would not repaint an original helmet LOL, and although most regular photos of the stunt show it to look without clearcoat It has 100% got it and that is original paint finished nearly 30 years ago. This is not a guess and Mike Has all the evidence. Believe it, there are no hidden motives over paint, why would there be? This is fact.

Now, does the ESB stunt dome really look any different to the hero's finish? No. They are one in the same.

Apart from the initial scenes in ROTJ does the dome carry the same finish as an ESB? For the most part No.

Dont just take my word for it, I dont even have to worry about entrusted information getting out. Just start with simple HD screen caps from the site below:

http://www.darthkahnt.com/DKphotogaller ... eESBHD.htm

I know the original paint used, Have tried it, have painted 2 seperate ways achieving 2 different looks (although similar to the untrained eye) and in general I see things through so I dont look like an idiot in the process.

I've been reading this whole thread as it's progressed and I usually love
reading threads like this, because we all stand to learn something...

Now I don't mean to come off as a Jerk or anything, but all I see here, are
a few people saying we should trust that the OT Helmets were Clear-Coated
without any proof.. I know I'm not a moderator, but isn't this a clear violation
of the Code Of Conduct.. If people were stating their opinion that's one
thing, but that's not the case.. It's a matter of I know so that's it!! and
that really sucks for the people wanting to expand their knowledge..

I love Debates on issues like this, only if it has some direction.. If we keep
going on like this back and forth, (yes it is / not it's not / yes it is) and no
proof is presented, then all anyone has learned is Tylenol is really good
for threads like this

As I consider you a good friend Doug, I'm a bit taken back by this comment as it is I who threw out this information for the benefit of others and as it was brought up in another thread it was not my original intention to make such a thing of it as I thought people may do their own research just from DK's site alone.

However, If you feel like that my friend well then it looks like I may just have to do some subtle comparisons myself. Unfortunately Vadermonkey's images can not be shared, as they are his own personal pictures. These images would prove from a number of shots that the screen used ESB stunt dome was in fact clearcoated. In turn the stunt IS finished in the same way as the Hero's. Not the odd helmet without clear for whatever reason. It's like saying ESB Vader has a cape hook, when in fact that's obviously not the hero look for ESB Vader and ESB Vader in general is full of inconsistances, so I go with the overwealming majority of scenes which help make up that one image of a hero Vader.

I do apologise if you or anyone else feels from my end this is a pointless topic, but from my view it's far from pointless, maybe people want proof. Gino in particular is one for not being able to post proof for whatever reason and that is much the same as myself as I explained ,although I'm sure by now everyone knows Mike's involvement with the stunt and what he did.

Give me some time as I do not have a good system on this PC to do photoshop work and I wil see what I can do. Cheers.

In the same respect we are being told that all of the OT helmets were hand polished without providing any proof.

Paul
I wasn't speaking about you, sorry if My post directly after yours made it look like that..
This is something that we've talked about on the phone. So I already knew what your
take was on the paint scheme.. I also would have Pm'd you if I felt any
I'll will towards this thread or You..

Sometimes when I read these threads it just blows Me away how sometimes
the Code of Conduct is brought into play because of a claim and lack of proof to support that claim.
and sometimes a thread could go on page, after page in the same way without a shutter
about the COC..

Sorry if I pissed anyone off this is just My observation of the thread as it's
progressed..

Very, Very True.. A point I neglected to hit on.. I guess were all at a stalemate untill someone can offer up some proof..

wait, I think I heard a pin Drop

I guess whether or not it's a clear violation of the CoC is because whether or not it's clear coated is not clear cut.

Doug it's cool if that was not your intent, I'm still not 100% sure on what you mean but hey it got me to do some quick comparisons buddy .

What I found interesting is I believe in the 2nd ROTJ pic that I posted, it looks like they used this image from ESB. The cheats hey. Never noticed that before. Hmm not unless DK's site has a duplicate pic?.

You can view these pictures much bigger once you save them and enlarge them. I think already this simply shows there is a difference. Doesn't matter why, how, when or why, it's evident, and I have not used just one helmet for example.


I know a fair bit now after researching these paints. As I said I am trying to give knowledge back to others, not misinform them.

1) I hope people can see that the ESB stunt is finished in the same way as the hero helmets etc..thus supporting my belief.

2) Although you can polish up gloss black so it looks like clear coat, there will be a difference, no matter how minor it is, I have done this quite painstakingly as with everything I try to do. I was just not satisified achieving what was the look on screen for ESB without clearcoat, so I investigated more, I bought the best polishes and have friends that are professional sprayers. Again although very similar, not only is the richness in the colour not as prominant without, the mirror effect is also not as prominant, and the very fine swirls and scratches are often better hidden with clear. There is also more of a haze for want of a better word with clearcoat. This said too much clearcoat is a complete mistake and it can easily look incorrect.

3) ANH and most of the Jedi domes were not clearcoated. Some of the ESB domes were not as well but they barely had any screen time. The majority of screen time domes for ESB had clearcoat.

4) The PA ESB dome has been on display and I believe still is. Without all the glass, lights and bad reflective photography a member here has taken all the evidence needed on a number of things and handled both faceplate and dome for a length of time. He confirms it is clearcoated, has not been repainted and I 100% back that up.


5) Another thing, Gino dont say screen caps dont help, because without picture evidence none of us would know what your Vaders look like for one. Photography etc is pretty much our major evidence on this internet. And if all the OT helmets were painted the same then I should have the same comparisons, give or take light and angles etc.. Overall it's a pretty clear indication. Not 100% perfect but you get the idea.

Just a couple more pics to show that shiny dome. Ever see ANH have this shine? nor did the majority of ROTJ. How can they be all the same finish?

Whats funny is that the few scenes in ESB which can show the stunt dome to be dull at times is down to lighting, supporting my belief further that as the stunt was clearcoated looking at these photos alone, let alone all the other examples. I can clearly see clearcoat on that dome. Hope this helps some out.