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This is one of the earliest comparisons I did with my mask with an iconic image of ANH Vader...to see how well I could get it to match...note that my mask even has the slight curvature variation of the edge of the neck of the original...the screen helmet photo is posted with permission from the person who kindly let me use it as reference. Any of my photos or comparisons are not to be reposted without permission.



I encourage anyone to try to achieve this exact look with their helmet. Again, there's no spacer....and every irregularity in the mask fits every irregularity in the dome like a glove. The later masks are just smaller in the crown so they don't "mesh" with the dome. The dome was sculpted on the mask and so an original will have that ability to mesh perfectly with a dome of the quality of a GH or related.


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I'd like to split off that SPFX stuff into a new thread - any objections?


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Do it.


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no objection here....you can take my post(s) to the new thread...


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Done - Carry on VP and related discussion here.

Please DO NOT discuss SPFX further in this thread, rather use SPFX Lineage Revisited


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Frankly, if LFL has a mold and the VP came from it, as it did... then it surprises me that they risked ruining an expensive helmet by molding it for use for the RotS helmet.

That's like: "Hey, we have perfectly good molds here of an ANH face and RotJ dome, whatever, but let's not use it... let's take a huge gamble and mold this expensive helmet instead.

That just doesn't make sense to me!!!

Anyone care to explain it to me? 'Cause I must be missing something! That's illogical.


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NHM,

Do we know for sure the ROTS was molded in the first place? I was under the impression they did a laserscan in order to have the computer mirror-flip one side of the face so that the resulting helmet could be realized using a 3D printer. This is only an impression; I have no source of this info. If a scan was doing of an existing helmet, then there would not have been a mold.


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They molded a helmet. That is said on the extra features on the 2004 DVD set.

And it was mentioned in an interview posted on The Sith Training Temple


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The VP couldn't have come from the mold used to make the ROTJ template for the ROTS helmet because that casting has a ROTJ chin vent...if I recall correctly....


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You forget that this is LFL we're talking about :rolleyes
They problably dont even know they have it officially or if they do they have it mislabled.



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Frankly, if LFL has a mold and the VP came from it, as it did... then it surprises me that they risked ruining an expensive helmet by molding it for use for the RotS helmet.

That's like: "Hey, we have perfectly good molds here of an ANH face and RotJ dome, whatever, but let's not use it... let's take a huge gamble and mold this expensive helmet instead.

That just doesn't make sense to me!!!

Anyone care to explain it to me? 'Cause I must be missing something! That's illogical.


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Actually Mac, I think you are close on this -- see link

Darth Vader Mask Prototyped with Roland SRP™ Technology
http://www.rolanddga.com/color/newseven ... 62&yr=2005

Doug



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NHM,

Do we know for sure the ROTS was molded in the first place? I was under the impression they did a laserscan in order to have the computer mirror-flip one side of the face so that the resulting helmet could be realized using a 3D printer. This is only an impression; I have no source of this info. If a scan was doing of an existing helmet, then there would not have been a mold.


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Actually Mac, I think you are close on this -- see link

Darth Vader Mask Prototyped with Roland SRP™ Technology
http://www.rolanddga.com/color/newseven ... 62&yr=2005

Doug



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NHM,

Do we know for sure the ROTS was molded in the first place? I was under the impression they did a laserscan in order to have the computer mirror-flip one side of the face so that the resulting helmet could be realized using a 3D printer. This is only an impression; I have no source of this info. If a scan was doing of an existing helmet, then there would not have been a mold.



Dude, that was the article I had read a while back that sat in my mind all this time. Thanks!

Part of my career has included a little bit of industrial design and 3D printing. It's fun technology. I've used 3D printing, but this Roland MDX-20 sounds like a 3D milling machine. 3D printing literally prints topologically in 3D; milling removes material topologically in 3D.

So this would strongly suggest that the LFL archived helmet was not molded but scanned instad.

What does that mean in relation to the point made earlier?


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I very much doubt a 25 year old silicone mould would be usable.
Silicone becomes brittle after a certain period of time.

My friend Ian made a full size R2, all the moulds were GE silicone.
He made one cast out of the moulds and put them into storage.
When he went to use the mould again he went to line it up in the Fibreglass case and piece literally just tore out.
Now you can easily tear pieces of the rubber out with your fingers.

The oils in the rubber dissipate over time.


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Actually, it depends on the type of silicone, how much useage it got, the type of material cast in it, and how/where it was stored.

Silicone can last 25 years or longer for sure.

Actually, there is a mold for the rebel fleet trooper blaster still around from anh and it makes copies quite nicely. And that mold was heavily used and beat to shit. Still makes nice castings to this day.


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The mould was used with polyurethane resin.
I didn't think it was stored badly - in Ian's house to be exact.

Maybe the General Electric Silicone is to blame.


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