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 Post subject: Re: Darth Vader Helmet - Opinions?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:20 am 
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gonk27 wrote:

Yep, here's the text for lot 206 NHM:

Darth Vader
A black/grey fibreglass skull helmet with wide-flanged rim and faceted characterised face, the inside inscribed in white chalk 3 - made for the 1980 Lucasfilm The Empire Strikes Back.
£3,000-£4,000


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If it is true that the ESB stunt helmets were numbered, and the hero helmets were lettered, it would be instructive to see what the number 3 looked like.

This helmet is interesting. It has a center ridge on the helmet (dome) that looks ANH...the edges don't taper as much along it's length that you normally see. The base of the flaring looks trimmed flat as one would expect from ESB. The tube ends are broken, not unlike the Paul Allen and not unlike the TM, implying some use/abuse. Is the chin grill accurate? It looks accurate to me. Harder to see the mouth grill. It doesn't have a fat lip. The holes inside the end of Vader's left and right tube seem to be the same diameter as that on the Paul Allen but I'd have to do a real comparison. What is strange is that it has no blebs or sausages on the front right cheek at the boundary to the side of the mouth triangle. There is good detail in the undercut of the tubes. It has that bit of inward slant toward the face of Vader's right side of the helmet flaring, like ESB. It has the minute groove lines inside the base of the noseslots as one would expect from an authentic or authentic-derived casting. There is also detail around the mouth triangle I see as well that looks authentic. What is also interesting to me is that the eyes are covered with pieces of plastic(?) that seem to be flatter at least on Vader's right side. So they are just covered up. That suggests to me that the mask might have been molded...otherwise why close up the eyes? I can host a high res version of the photo....

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 Post subject: Re: Darth Vader Helmet - Opinions?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:41 am 
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voice in the crowd wrote:

Carsten you hit the nail right on the head. That is exactly what I thought and not only that on the VP casting the right eye has a gap in the casting in roughly the same place (left hand side looking onto the faceplate). I was waiting to see the higher res pic before jumping to conclusions. I have been looking at my VP and that pic all night try to match up the eye packing and gaps.


It doesn't look like the glue blobs match with those of the VP...

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:46 am 
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Dark-Side wrote:
with my 1st post i don't ask much attention...
But i "think" these are the same helmet! :thumbsup

(sorry for the flash :disg ...)

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It looks like you might be right...at least as far as the helmet is concerned, the mask also possible but it looks like it was repainted/refinished...where was the left image taken? Looks like a display...Planet Hollywood?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:49 am 
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Sausage?? :lol Thats a new one....

It looks like the pic on the left has them...It looks like they may be hidden due to the lighting in the auction pic.

A very cool helmet!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:08 pm 
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Dark-Side wrote:
But i "think" these are the same helmet! :thumbsup

Yeah... certainly looks similar. Where's that other picture from?

And welcome to the forum! :cheers

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:47 pm 
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it's at the "Museo del cinema", Torino - Italia.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:00 am 
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Very interesting...thanks for the contribution...and yes, welcome! :salut

Are you able to obtain more photos of it? Perhaps a bit from the side so the flash doesn't obscure as much?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:45 am 
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Yep, I'd love to see more photo's of this mask/helmet.


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 Post subject: Re: Darth Vader Helmet - Opinions?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:40 am 
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Is that helmet you are showing the same one in these pics?

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Seems to have the same damage to the neck... hmm... is that Don Post masks to the right?

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The neck looks oddly flared. Yeah those are DPs to the side. Dark Side, do you have any better pics of it?

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Ok found another pic of it. It sure does look like the one auctioned.

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i have some others pics of it. When i come back to home, this evening, i'll post them. :thumbsup

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Sweet. Looking forward to it.

Any word on the hosting of the larger auction picture... would really like to see it. :thumbsup

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Okay, I have the larger images. I'll post these in the Gallery in a bit.

Processed image, 800 pixels wide:

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Superhuge version:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b138/ ... hanced.jpg

As with any print, there comes a point where the pointilism of printing creates an unwanted moire effect with optical scanning, which can make uber-high resolutions useless. I did some cleanup using Photoshop CS3 to reduce some of the scanning "noise".

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Images added to the Gallery.

Here's just the face:

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