DynamicMenace wrote:
i knew i read somewhere that there were more than one ANH helmet made..here is an interview on starwarshelmets.com with John Mollo and Brian Muir.
STW.com - For production, how many Vader Helmets were produced?
Mollo - There was one main helmet plus a double. Its quite possible there was also a fall-back (3rd) helmet but its unlikely there were any more.
Brian Muir - As far as "How Many Vader helmets were made", we're still not sure. Brian adds..I saw raw castings and finished helmets but I can't say I saw all three in both stages. The helmets would all differ as no casting would be exactly the same due to the fact that the rubber has to be placed back into the case and it will never sit into the case exactly the same each time. Also in the laying up of the gel coat you can have air bubbles appear in different areas which are filled and rubbed down. These are extremely subtle differences but nevertheless are there.
I know. I knew Brian before he even came on this forum and naturally I asked about the helmets used in the production.
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this may be why the dome of the efx looks slightly different than one of film used helmet(s). or another helmet that the efx has been compared with on this forum.
The problem with your idea is that we know the source of the mold, and what helmet it was taken off of.
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im sure some, if not most of you already know about this..but both state that there were more than one helmet made..but never more than three that they know of..or weather any of those three were ever used in the film. neither say that only one was definitely used and not the others..so another may have been used..but they dont know for sure..so that says to me that its definitely possible that there was a second helmet that was used for filming and possibly a third. it would explain the different looks of the dome that i see in the film.
We know there was only one helmet seen on film. We also know there were three and perhaps four pulls. But Brian also thought my TD ANH was taken off the third pull, which isn't the case. So things are not always so cut and dried as far as what you might read or quote.
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. if that image of the casting in the booklet is the original dome. then that explains the look that the efx has. and so it is possible that one of the helmets that was made was slightly different or possibly reworked to get that look that is seen in other shots of the film.
Well, it isn't the way the original dome looked in the front flaring edge. Again, we know the source of the mold, and therefore the particular original pull from the production that was molded.
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and again..they did make two different stormtrooper helmets. one for close ups shots, hero. and another for all shots, stunt. so why wouldn't they do that with the Vader as well? i think they would have.
Well the Vader helmet was made and finished in a completely different way than the TK helmets. One simple word could explain why one helmet was used in filming....continuity. At least that is what we see onscreen in regard to the ANH helmet.
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Sithlord. when you get your two efx..compare the outer edges of the dome. rather than the inner flaring of the dome. to see is if the outer edges of the dome match up with your SL.
I'm not talking about the inside of the dome flaring. I'm talking about the front flaring edge. The front face of the front flarings, and also the shape of the edge of the front flaring.
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because i am thinking that the one used for "most" of the filming was slightly different as Muir stated that multiple castings would differ from one another. so they might not match up.
Match then the type of flaring edges we see on the eFX onscreen. You cannot because they are not accurate.
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or possibly they had the inner edges of the flaring of the dome reworked. to give it that look that it had and the the SL has.
I would consider a bit more carefully the logic of an argument that suggests that it was the onscreen original that was reworked and some unseen helmet from ANH was molded by eFX instead. The eFX and SL come from the same mold.
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becasue if they (SL efx) are the same dome from the same mold than the outer edges should match.
Bingo.
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but again..they might not. not sure if you have done that..maybe you have..but im just trying to figure out like the rest of us why the domes are different.
I have as I said using photos already posted of the eFX production copies, and I wouldn't bring up a point unless I studied it in some detail and knew if it was the case or not.
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there had to have been another dome that was created for the film.
Why? You are presupposing that the eFX is de facto identical to the original ANH in every way. And failing that then there must be another helmet it was sourced from. But that isn't the case here.
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ive gone through a lot of film used ANH helmet images and i can see some that look like the eFx and some shots that look like your SL.
Show me one that has the same edges in terms of their profile (I'm not talking about curvature here, I'm talking about the cross-sectional profile of the edge itself). It is so obvious on the eFX that the lower front flaring corners are square. Show me where you see that onscreen.
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there is no other explanation.
That's funny, because I suggested other explanations.
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so my conclusion is that there were other helmets/casts made and used for the film. at least that's what im getting from what i have found out in those interviews. and the comparisons of the SL and the efx and film used helmet(s). not to mention that efx themselves claim that it is the same exact helmet that was used in the tantive lV scene when vader was interrogating princess Leia. and i hope you dont mind me talking about your SL on this thread...because that's really what everyone is comparing the efx to. that and an original film used helmet. what are your thought on this Sithlord?
It is moot that there were other casts made for the film. We don't see them, and Rick Baker didn't mold them. Just the one helmet seen onscreen. It was molded, and not just the SL but the DJ, and other pulls like the funeral pyre helmet all have the same flaring profile on the edge. Any high resolution reference shows it, any pull known to come from the Rick Baker mold shows it, and yet the eFX does not. So, I didn't put into question the source of eFX's dome, but wanted to know whether the image shown was the master pull or not. If not, then it could be a pull taken from a modified master pull. That's a very simple alternative explanation that doesn't require negation of the source of the eFX pull.