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 Post subject: Re: The GS ROTJ Vader helmet owned by original crew member
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:57 pm 
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VaderUK wrote:
An update on the gs vader. Due to a breakdown in trust going back to November last year, the casting of the "as is" vader by cfo has come to an end. As far as I am aware there were 22 casts sold and 1 dome.
I have the original silicone moulds at home but not the fibreglass jackets.
I have asked Mark not to reproduce,recast or rework anything associated with the gs vader in the future. ie: no ANH or ESB helmets.
The reworked Jedi helmets are unaffected.
I know there is no law to stop anyone recasting but I hope Mark respects my wishes.



“Beware the person that stabs you and then tells the world they’re bleeding!”


Wow. I'm curious as to what happened. I'm sure Mark was not part of it.


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 Post subject: Re: The GS ROTJ Vader helmet owned by original crew member
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:24 pm 
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:eek
What does this mean for the future of the GS helmet?
Will the project move to someone else?
Can CFO still cast and sell Jedi helmets?


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 Post subject: Re: The GS ROTJ Vader helmet owned by original crew member
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:20 pm 
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Greg does not have the rights to use my moulds. I own all rights to the moulds I paid to have made.

As far as other versions.


Greg, I quote in your own words.

“The present Trilogy series you are working on belongs to you with no future liability or obligation to me whatsoever.”

I see this has changed since you didn’t get your way despite me being very clear and precise in my wording of the FULL AND FINAL SETTLEMENT.

I have met all your terms and paid all monies owed. You are the only person that has broken the agreement.

Threatening to send a third party to my family home to get the moulds was a step too far.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:03 pm 
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Being that there’s more to the story, maybe you can explain why the trust broke down, and how Mark stabbed you in the back.

Mark has an impeccable reputation in the community.

You have a rather greedy reputation, based on our conversations alone. Then you throw in: you threatening Mark and his family.

I stand by Mark.

....You’re a real piece of work, Greg.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:22 am 
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No fucking doubts that Mark is telling the true story. If you can trust one person within the hobby its certainly Mark.


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 Post subject: Re: The GS ROTJ Vader helmet owned by original crew member
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:41 am 
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Thank you for your kind words Craigjohn. You do not even know me.
The collection by a third party was the terms set out before a letter before court action. The moulds as far as I was concerned were some 4hrs from Marks address. The moulds were for surety of payment. The moulds would have been collected by courier or a friend but not by me.
I know Mark is held in high regard. As for the statement regarding his exclusive rights to moulds. It was if he agreed to my terms, which also meant me forfeiting £5500. There is a lot more to this than anyone realises but I can go into it when I have more time. I will state that I have 100% proof that I was deceived .


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:18 am 
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Greg

Just leave it and walk away with some dignity.
I have refrained from going public and gave you that courtesy but as you insist on an online slagging match I am happy to participate.


You have no proof whatsoever as I have been through every email and text that we have had between us. So has my lawyer.

Greg you have forfeited absolutely nothing. This £5500 you say was forfeited was not even discussed as a deal as I have not developed these other casts yet. As if I was going to pay you £5500 on something I haven’t even made! Let alone sold. You are delusional.

I have given you £10,000 yet you invested no money whatsoever. . I paid for all the research and development, mould materials and mould making plus two persons wages and all casting costs.

Yet you have it in your head that I owe you more money for something doesn’t even exist yet?

Way to go.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:31 pm 
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It appears this is a tit for tat argument .
The nature of my business means all my calls are recorded for reference. I have audio files on all our conversations . You or anyone else can have access to them . Send me your lawyers address and I will pass them on.
Fyi.
Hello Mark,

I have a proposal for you.

As it stands you still owe me at least £500 for my share of the sale of 5 reworked Vader Casts.
This is for the agreed £100 for each cast sold to number of 20. Therefore before long an outstanding amount will raise to £2000. As agreed, future casts of reworked helmets relating to Star Wars A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back will also give me a monetary share totalling £4000. I am aware the £4000 share could be over a period of two years.
As it stands I am still within my rights to ask the courts to issue you a CCJ using the information at hand and the claims set out in the first Letter before Action.
You have paid part of my claim and I thank you for that . To avoid any ambiguity the Letter before Action will be redrafted .

WE CAN RESOLVE THIS MATTER NOW. Pay me the outstanding £500 and present me with the Production cast moulds and I will have someone collect them.
I will then forfeit any future payments(Totalling £5500) and the matter will be concluded.

I note from your previous email you have stopped producing casts of "as is" Vader Helmets and are or have ceased all ties with me. Therefore I am committed to giving you 7 days to respond to this email. If you fail to respond then I will have no alternative to taking further action. I am sorry it had come to this but why did it come to this.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:35 pm 
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VaderUK wrote:
Thank you for your kind words Craigjohn. You do not even know me.


We had our conversations about your helmet. Between that and you changing your agreement with Mark several times, demanding more money...and then more money again...and using threats if he didn't pay up to those new money demands, is enough for me to draw a pretty a good conclusion.

And the fact you're here on this board making new demands with new threats... you're right. I don't know you from a hole in the ground.

:lol


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:55 pm 
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Conversations are worthless. Publish the signed notarized legal agreement and identify the paragraphs referring to mold ownership and contingency payments. That should resolve this either way.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:56 pm 
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belloq wrote:
Conversations are worthless. Publish the signed notarized legal agreement and identify the paragraphs referring to mold ownership and contingency payments. That should resolve this either way.


Technically, that's false. Verbal agreements come down to "he said, she said". But as long as there is a paper trail of agreements, even via emails, they can hold up in court. At least in the US.


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 Post subject: Re: The GS ROTJ Vader helmet owned by original crew member
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:42 pm 
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VaderUK wrote:
It appears this is a tit for tat argument .
The nature of my business means all my calls are recorded for reference. I have audio files on all our conversations . You or anyone else can have access to them . Send me your lawyers address and I will pass them on.
Fyi.
Hello Mark,

I have a proposal for you.

As it stands you still owe me at least £500 for my share of the sale of 5 reworked Vader Casts.
This is for the agreed £100 for each cast sold to number of 20. Therefore before long an outstanding amount will raise to £2000. As agreed, future casts of reworked helmets relating to Star Wars A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back will also give me a monetary share totalling £4000. I am aware the £4000 share could be over a period of two years.
As it stands I am still within my rights to ask the courts to issue you a CCJ using the information at hand and the claims set out in the first Letter before Action.
You have paid part of my claim and I thank you for that . To avoid any ambiguity the Letter before Action will be redrafted .

WE CAN RESOLVE THIS MATTER NOW. Pay me the outstanding £500 and present me with the Production cast moulds and I will have someone collect them.
I will then forfeit any future payments(Totalling £5500) and the matter will be concluded.

I note from your previous email you have stopped producing casts of "as is" Vader Helmets and are or have ceased all ties with me. Therefore I am committed to giving you 7 days to respond to this email. If you fail to respond then I will have no alternative to taking further action. I am sorry it had come to this but why did it come to this.



Firstly Greg, I stand by everything I have ever said. I have also told you I am happy to stand in court and say exactly what I have have said to you.
Secondly, you seem to under the impression you’ve been really clever in secretly recording our conversations
Let me just explain how many laws you are breaking.
1. Any unsolicitated recordings are inadmissible in court. You have to by law tell me you are recording the conversations and have to have my consent to do so. Which you did not.
2. You are in breach of the data protection act.
3. You have broken the privacy law.
4. You are in breach of confidentiality.
5. It is illegal to use a company recording system for anything other than the profession it was intended for. . Which means I’m laymans terms you cannot record personal phone calls using a company system.
6. It is also illegal for you to pass unsolicitaed recordings to a third party.

So as you can see I really don’t think you would be wise to pursue this. If you do I have plenty to be getting on with in terms of legal proceedings.

The reason it has come to this is purely out of your own greed and delusional expectations.

As we are now posting private emails in the public domain I Just want to give everybody a bit of background into what you were expecting from this collaboration. Baring in mind when you approached me this was a hobby that I do in my spare time in a small Workshop in my back garden.

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“ Hi Mark, I will cut to the chase .This is what Im thinking. I would be looking for a return of £100000 . Casting and moulding rights will be yours as you see fit and pricing also. I would still like to retain the helmet but access to it would be unlimited while it is in my possession.“


Really? If I was to pay you £100,000 I would need to be have a turnover of at least £300,000. Do you really think after visiting my workshop with all my staff, I mean me! that I was capable of this kind of production figures? This just goes to show naive you are in the replica prop world.

I can post lots of emails that detail just how hungry for money you really are but do we really need to be airing our dirty laundry in public? I think not. That’s why I have suggested you walk away whilst you still have some dignity.

I have built up a very strong and positive reputation over 15 years in this hobby and with the community in general. If you think your personal crusade is going to effect that then maybe you should sit back and think about it for a while. From where I’m standing you are just digging your hole deeper and deeper.

It’s pointless posting email responses Greg, iif you are going to edit them to make yourself look more genuine. You just added his bit in “ I’m sorry it’s had to come to this, why has it come to this?” This was not in the original email I received?
I’ll tell you why it’s come to this, because you are greedy! You were not understanding to my personal situation which I was very open to you about. You just wanted money and lots of it. Even money from deals that hadn’t been struck yet.
I even agreed to send you my production silicone moulds which I paid for and own the rights to show you that I wouldn’t be making anymore unaltered castings. I didn’t have to do that and technically you had no right asking for them. But then you get nasty because you realised you can’t get someone else to use them. There is no other reason for you to be upset that you didn’t receive the jackets unless you are looking at profiteering from my hard work and investment. Even if you did have the jackets you would need my permission to use them as in your own words I own all rights. This was part of the verbal agreement we had in the very beginning. I would never have agreed to starting this project if I didn’t own the rights to the moulds and you agreed this.
Just for the record there were no contracts and no official agreements set in place. No schedule of sales, no schedule of payments. I paid Greg commission of “profits” from the very first cast sold baring in mind that we had two people working on this for 6 months prior to the first cast sold. We fronted all costs for moulding, production of casts, packing materials, time etc etc

Every time you came to me with terms of our full and final settlement and you’d suddenly realise you’d fucked up but instead of doing the right thing you’d come back to me with different terms and amounts which you wanted. This whole debacle is pathetic and down to you. If you’d been a little more patient and folks we are talking a couple of weeks then we would still be in business and you would be receiving payments for many years to come. But instead you treat me with contempt and here we are.
I explained everything to you about losing my job, my father having cancer and me and my family caring for him before he passed away in February and then my unfortunate shoulder injury. All resulting in many months of me not being able to earn money. But you cared not and weren’t willing to wait for your free cash. Then started to threaten me sending a third party round to pick up moulds and issuing me with county coiurt judgments. Yet you wonder why all this happened and why we are where we are!
Priceless.
I stand by everything I have ever done, said or do.


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 Post subject: Re: The GS ROTJ Vader helmet owned by original crew member
PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:46 pm 
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Mark, You have an impeccable reputation amongst the prop collecting community and I realise I am like a lamb to the slaughter but I did lose trust in you and was truly gutted after our telephone conversation.

November last year when I spoke to you you told me that you had not sold any more than 16 or 17 helmets. I had been paid for 15 helmets In July of the same year 3 months previous to our call helmet number 22 was posted on the black market thread. I asked you about this during our November conversation and you decided to come clean. You said you were sorry but you had not been paid for 3 months by your hairdressing salon and someone had ripped you off to the sum of £2000 plus you had only sold 1 storm trooper set that year. I also asked you whether you had sold any stand alone domes and you said 1 had been sold. I did not make any demands at that time and you offered to pay a small part straight away and I understood your predicament. This is where i lost trust.

This was not your money to keep.The whole point of the project was give my aunt a financial reward to pay off her mortgage and keep the gs vader in our family.
I was acting on her best interests. Initially the helmet was to be sold to pay off her final mortgage payments and enable her to give up her job at the ripe old age of 72 and to ease her pagets disease.

So in relation to the helmet sales I had one small part payment in 9 months and you had used £2505 of our part share for your own self. Agreed you were in a predicament but you could have sold some of the assets you possess instead
Every man has his breaking point and it was in April.

I am truly sorry for your loss and I was not aware of that when I made my decision to lean on you.The decision was made after you missed my call .
I did not think I would get any more payments and that is why I was going to take you to court. To be fair you always said I would get paid but I could be waiting years,not your words mine.

I also loaned you a film production helmet of c-3po for you to mould and did not expect or ask for any sort of financial reward.

Over the past month I have made demands and you have paid me.
The one regarding you sending the "as is " moulds was not met by you. I agreed to forfeit any claims but you did not send the complete moulds. You could have told me at the time you were not sending the fibreglass jackets but you withheld them from me. You tell me now that the jackets are universal but were made initially for the "as is" vader.
I was going to have a play around with moulding myself for fun but never for sale or for anyone else. You see I have the original helmet to mould if i want.
The ending of the email that was posted by me was added by me as a question to you as to how this got to be so bitter. I did not space it correctly.
As for the audio files. I have had a 3rd party app on my phone for about 4 years now. It is called ACR and can be downloaded for free at the google play store. I use it for reference and not to secretly record anyone. It automatically backs up all conversations business or pleasure . I am not totally sure of the legal side as to posting it in public but I had the understanding it could be used in court if it was required.I shall seek some proper advice. However if you agree I can make it public with your consent.
I do not have a personal crusade.
I am not pursuing you for any more money. I am requesting that you do not recast or rework anything to do with the gs vader.


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I have no rights to the ROTJ reworked moulds.


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