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 Post subject: RotJ style trooper in ESB
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:49 pm 
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See this thread....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2761&p=44585#p44585

We're trying to work out when this photo was taken to point to whether the stormtrooper on the right is either a RotJ or a Hero ANH. Clearly if the photo was taken pre 1982 it poses some interesting quesitons

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 Post subject: Re: RotJ style trooper in ESB
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:14 pm 
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If definitely has the RotJ look. (the RotJ pic on the right comes from Jez' website IIRC)

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Somehow it always reminds me of this ANH helmet:

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 Post subject: Re: RotJ style trooper in ESB
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:47 pm 
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This is the second thread about basically the same thing - it's already being discussed in the vader section.

And SWC... you were replying to Jez... :lol


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 Post subject: Re: RotJ style trooper in ESB
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:44 pm 
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NoHumorMan wrote:
This is the second thread about basically the same thing - it's already being discussed in the vader section.

And SWC... you were replying to Jez... :lol


Yeah I know - but I was conscious some people dont look outside of their "chosen speciality" - e.g. I rarely check the Vader sections......

Thanks Star Wars Collector

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 Post subject: Re: RotJ style trooper in ESB
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That's true... silly limited people... you heard me... I called you people! :blah

But still interesting. Probably a good idea to link to the other thread then... :thumbsup


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 Post subject: Re: RotJ style trooper in ESB
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:34 pm 
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I think it is a regular ANH/ESB. The ear look weird though.


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 Post subject: Re: RotJ style trooper in ESB
PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:22 pm 
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Here's something I posted yesterday on whitearmor following the discussion there....

Right, I managed to spend a few hours with John Mollo this afternoon to try and resolve the question over what Stormtrooper helmets and armor were used in ESB.

We spent a considerable amount of time looking at whether new Stormtroopers were made for The Empire Strikes Back but were not able to get a clear decision either way. HOWEVER there is evidence that there WAS “new” work done on the Stormtroopers and therefore I’d like to congratulate Paul/Trooper Master for pushing so hard on this issue since he has clearly opened up a very interesting can or worms. Paul – take this as a metaphorical pat on the back – well done!

As many of you may already know, John Mollo has proved to be a very reliable source of information for the movies he worked on since he kept chronological “sketch book’s” / diaries detailing all the work he did including names, dates, art work, “to-do’s” and design workings for his costume work.

Now to gain a thorough understanding of events (and to tie them into John’s dates) it would be incredibly useful to see a copy of the production diary/Shooting schedule for ESB – does anyone here have access to that? The ANH dates were published a few years back but I’m not sure about ESB (maybe we’ll get it when the new “making of” book is released?). Either way if someone’s got a copy and can mail it to me it would be incredibly useful.

Like I said we spent a lot of time going through the notes, with Mollo trying to add whatever else he could remember, “filling in the gaps”. What we got was that a maximum of 10 Stormtroopers were required for ESB and these were put together using ANH left overs.

However Gary Kurtz was not happy with their condition so work was requested creating a “Mark 2” version – and this included amendments to the existing helmets and armor – and importantly plasterers making a cast “off an existing model”.

Changes included the following:

Helmet
New liners, chin straps, trim and decals
It looks like they would have had “New Vac formed green eyes” although we know that for filming they used green acrylic on most (if not all)

Body
Most of the changes were to assist the wearers, such as “Elastic for the Shoulder pads”, “glue shoulders to arms”, “rivet and bolt shoulder plates” - although interestingly also includes “Edged (armor) body with white plastic” – something more commonplace on RotJ armor.

Okay, so back to the vac-forming. What is not clear is what specifically was done (helmet, armor or both). However, we do know that the Plasterers (who make the moulds) were budgeted for 7 hours work, with the Vac-formers another 12 hours (including forming and trimming)
In addition we have an idea of how much ABS they needed (just 3.5 sheets, but the size of the sheets is not known).

So we do have some information on what happened, but probably more questions than answers; did they just vac-form missing/damaged pieces or a complete suit? How many helmets or suits could you vac-form and trim in 12 hours?

So that’s the end of the info for now, although like I said I’d really like to see some shooting dates if anyone has them. John’s kindly agreed to check some other sources and I too will look down some other avenues.

Hope this helps

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 Post subject: Re: RotJ style trooper in ESB
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:51 am 
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Jez,
Considering that Rinzler must be almost done with the ESB book, wouldn't it be worth
a shot at an exchange of information - I bet he hasn't even spoken to Molo about ESB!

I know it sounds like a long shot, but If I'm not mistaken, Thomas (sithlord) must have
Some contacts to the LFL publishing process, considering his recent contribution to Pete
Vilmur's upcoming book?

Worth a shot maybe?


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 Post subject: Re: RotJ style trooper in ESB
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:26 pm 
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Good idea - Ive asked him

No I dont think they did contact Mollo - at least he didnt mention it and we did talk about publishing quite a bit

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 Post subject: Re: RotJ style trooper in ESB
PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:30 pm 
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Well, they did create new handguards for ESB.


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 Post subject: Re: RotJ style trooper in ESB
PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:32 pm 
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In addition we have an idea of how much ABS they needed (just 3.5 sheets, but the size of the sheets is not known).


From research I have done, the vac machines they use are pretty large. Didn't AA do a whole suit in one sheet IIRC?

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 Post subject: Re: RotJ style trooper in ESB
PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:48 am 
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Yes - you could pretty much get one complete set of armor from one sheet (although minus the helmet).

The vacuum presses at Elstree were used predominantly for sets so would have been big. The ABS sheets were £16 each in 1979 so taking inflation thats £68 ($105) in 2009 - how big a sheet would that buy you?

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 Post subject: Re: RotJ style trooper in ESB
PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:25 pm 
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I've updated StarWarsHelmets.com to include a new page on this with more info

http://www.starwarshelmets.com/Return-o ... arison.htm

As we learn more about this I'll update as necessary. Thanks to everyone who has contributed.

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 Post subject: Re: RotJ style trooper in ESB
PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:48 pm 
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Wow Jez there is some great info there, i love the hand drawn pics mr JM :)


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 Post subject: Re: RotJ style trooper in ESB
PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:12 pm 
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Great update :cheers


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