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 Post subject: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:12 am 
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The differences between the two!

ESB:
3-piece system - dome and upper facemask (fused together?), lower facemask (chin section w both tusk tubes) & neckbrace.

RotJ:
4-piece system - dome, upper facemask (w upper tusk tube), lower facemask (chin section w lower tusk tube and tip of upper) & neckbrace.

We all remember the scene where it was lowered onto his head in ESB, but what most people may not realize is that we get a perfect frontal shot right after when he turns around and talks with the officer - you can see the poorly attached upper facemask, with a gap at the bottom edge of the mouth. Sadly I don't have a picture showing that, but anyone checking will see it.

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 Post subject: Re: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:31 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
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*EDIT* @Paul: :lol two minds, same thoughts....your pics are much better though. Thanks for sharing! :thumbsup

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 Post subject: Re: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:25 pm 
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Great pics guys and thanks for starting the thread Carsten. :thumbsup

Ok so, what the hell happened to the ESB reveal. I'm guessing it's in private hands because it isn't it the archives, as best I know, and there aren't many pics of it available anywhere.

There's a difference in the length of the necks. The ROTJ reveal has a shorter neck compared with the ESB reveal.

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 Post subject: Re: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
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Thats to weird. I was just looking at pics of him with the helmet off the other day some where. I kinda made an off handed mental note about the upper tusks showing with the brace on. Then driffed off onto something else....AADD...its a bitch. :lol Great shots.

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 Post subject: Re: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
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That ESB shot has always bugged me with how far they crammed the helmet under the armor.


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 Post subject: Re: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
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Qui-Gonzalez wrote:
That ESB shot has always bugged me with how far they crammed the helmet under the armor.


Exactly. You'd think there would have been a "CUT! Can someone please adjust that helmet? OK rolling!" :lol

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 Post subject: Re: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
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That's weird.

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Is it just me or does it appear to have a thick bottom lip like the ROTJ stunt, and the nose paint only covers the flat of the inside nose area and not the surrounding inside walls?

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 Post subject: Re: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
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It's just you. As was stated earlier, it looks like the two pieces were not rejoined together. That is partly why Carsten started this thread.


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 Post subject: Re: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
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I see. I'm still catching up on reading after coming back from a little vacation time.

So the mask's upper half is part of the helmet (dome). Looks like there's bit of the Sideshow thing going on.

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 Post subject: Re: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
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Darth Karo wrote:
Great pics guys and thanks for starting the thread Carsten. :thumbsup

Ok so, what the hell happened to the ESB reveal. I'm guessing it's in private hands because it isn't it the archives, as best I know, and there aren't many pics of it available anywhere.

There's a difference in the length of the necks. The ROTJ reveal has a shorter neck compared with the ESB reveal.



The ESB reveal doesn't exist anymore. The neck brace and some parts were used on the ROTJ reveal, which was created to allow us to see more of Shaw's face. The ESB reveal split at a different point than ROTJ, obscuring the sides of Prowse's face.

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 Post subject: Re: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
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Exactly! :thumbsup That's why there's only this frontal shot, so the sides of Prowse's face aren't exposed.

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 Post subject: Re: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
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I like the look of it from behind. Would have been real interesting to see from the front. Probably looked pretty cool. Although the mask attached to the dome would look a bit odd.

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 Post subject: Re: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
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The reveal scene was probably done with a smaller guy - possibly Anderson - which is why the mask rests below the armor and not above it. When it is above again it is clear they switched to a regular hero mask and Dave Prowse.

Also... I don't think the reveal had its nose painted silver. It doesn't look that way, at least. Just light reflection off the gloss surface.

It would make sense they re-used the lower half with the neckbrace for the RotJ reveal and cut off everything above the lower tusk tube and then cut up another mask for the top part. Could be one of the cast helmets Brian Muir's friend was talking about.

SL, there is something I've been thinking... do the SL have those details you pointed out on the RotJ hero, stunt and reveal? And could it be likely that the reveal and the other RotJ helmets discussed came from that mold (ILM mold) and not the UK mold? I know the DJ has them.

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Both features are not on ANH or ESB castings.
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The same features are on both the original ROTJ reveal and stunt masks, indicating that those features were inherent to what I believe was a common mold these two masks shared. A ROTJ mold.
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 Post subject: Re: Vader Reveals - ESB & RotJ
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Anakin Starkiller wrote:
The ESB reveal doesn't exist anymore. The neck brace and some parts were used on the ROTJ reveal, which was created to allow us to see more of Shaw's face. The ESB reveal split at a different point than ROTJ, obscuring the sides of Prowse's face.

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That makes perfect sense. I wasn't sure what it was that I was seeing on the sides of the face:

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So I assume the top portion of the faceplate that was secured to the dome was destroyed? Also the wrap around seems to come forward a bit, so I assume that when we see the frontal shot, it's an altogether different faceplate?

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