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 Post subject: The TD Cast Controversy
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:58 pm 
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Split from Chris' SL show-off thread: New ANH helmet. Moved here for review!

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I did not know Thomas made the TD available as well.


There are two or three in private hands, but it wasn't made available in that sense.

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 Post subject: Re: New ANH helmet
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:37 pm 
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Qui-Gonzalez wrote:
I did not know Thomas made the TD available as well.


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There are two or three in private hands, but it wasn't made available in that sense.


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And for the record I never did and won't be offering any TD castings.


Let me guess, you never "offered", they just "asked."

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 Post subject: Re: New ANH helmet
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:38 am 
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Darth Karo wrote:
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There are two or three in private hands, but it wasn't made available in that sense.


SithLord wrote:
And for the record I never did and won't be offering any TD castings.


Let me guess, you never "offered", they just "asked."


Offering means doing a run. I never offered TD castings.

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 Post subject: Re: New ANH helmet
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SithLord wrote:
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There are two or three in private hands, but it wasn't made available in that sense.


SithLord wrote:
And for the record I never did and won't be offering any TD castings.


Let me guess, you never "offered", they just "asked."


Offering means doing a run. I never offered TD castings.


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 Post subject: Re: New ANH helmet
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Darth Karo wrote:
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Let me guess, you never "offered", they just "asked."


Offering means doing a run. I never offered TD castings.


:bs


Sorry about the OT but I was pretty clear and I'd like to know what your problem is about this.

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 Post subject: Re: New ANH helmet
PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:31 pm 
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All well and good, but there's a difference between offering people something for sale and being asked for a casting whether it's from friends or vader buddies. DK wants to make it out as if there was a run of TD masks and that I lied or misled people....for what reason? Well who has TD masks then? If I say "yes there was a run of TD masks" then people will assume that I can make them or that I offered them and THAT would be misleading people, wouldn't it. There is polarity here. It seems some think it's either a run or it's not so if there were copies there was a run. If there are copies then of course the question is "can I have one please" because the assumption is that they are available and that there is or was a run. Well that's not the case because the TD was never "available" nor did I offer it to anyone. So I wonder how someone could take offense if I say there was never an offering, that there was never a run. So I am misleading people now? If I am then maybe DK can point out when I offered them and to whom. Instead of just using a BS smiley, if you have a concern about something, DK, then I'm all ears.

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 Post subject: Re: New ANH helmet
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Thomas,

Hold on for a moment. I'm just telling you my own personal observations as peaceably as possible. Don't take what I say to put words in Darth Karo's mouth. Let the man speak for himself.

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 Post subject: Re: New ANH helmet
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That's fine I don't mean to put words in DK's mouth, just attempting to clarify this since BS sort of encompasses a lot. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: New ANH helmet
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Well that's not the case because the TD was never "available" nor did I offer it to anyone.


You offered me one personally Thomas so how can you say that? If they are not available fine, but dont lie to everyone and say that people dont have them and they were not offered. :bs

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 Post subject: Re: New ANH helmet
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Let's not derail this thread, please. It's no secret that copies were made of the TD, so what's the big deal? :eek

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 Post subject: Re: New ANH helmet
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SithLord wrote:
If I say "yes there was a run of TD masks" then people will assume that I can make them or that I offered them and THAT would be misleading people, wouldn't it.


In this case, there was a run (castings were made). Not everyone got offered them, nor was it announced (which is fine, it was your call), but the lack of announcement does not mean descendant castings do not exist. Two or more constitutes a run.

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 Post subject: Re: New ANH helmet
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Let's not derail this thread, please. It's no secret that copies were made of the TD, so what's the big deal? :eek


If we are misled to think that castings weren't made, then whatever casting we're shown won't be properly identified. I was going to do a comparison when I read the implication that no castings were offered. That read to me that castings did not exist, and therefore I would have been mistaken comparing an SL casting against a DJ when now it is clear it's an SL casting.

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 Post subject: Re: New ANH helmet
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Well that's not the case because the TD was never "available" nor did I offer it to anyone.


You offered me one personally Thomas so how can you say that? If they are not available fine, but dont lie to everyone and say that people dont have them and they were not offered. :bs

Sorry for the OT.


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What's that old saying again? Something about....."Oh what a tangled web we weave......" Frankly, I don't have a problem with it at all. It's your casting and you can sell to whomever you want to, but just be honest about it. That's not much to ask. Again, you want to play semantics with words. Much like you did with the whole sculpted short tubes tale you tried to spin on the community involving Brian. Give it a rest already Thomas. You are so transparent.

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 Post subject: Re: New ANH helmet
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 Post subject: Re: New ANH helmet
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Vadermonkey wrote:
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Well that's not the case because the TD was never "available" nor did I offer it to anyone.


You offered me one personally Thomas so how can you say that? If they are not available fine, but dont lie to everyone and say that people dont have them and they were not offered. :bs

Sorry for the OT.



Last year I mentioned in a thread when the TM and VP were being discussed that there were two other castings out there of interest. You emailed me asking about them. And then later on you asked me again if I planned on doing a run of the TD. YOU ASKED ME. I had two extra copies that were personal copies, not part of a run or an offering. I trusted you and since you had asked me how many times if I would make castings (you even offered to help me find someone that does that kind of work, but I wasn't willing to go through with it). On March 7th, 2007 I offered you one of those personal castings that I had extra. And I trusted you! But no longer. Those are the two castings I referred to before. I trusted you! This was something between friends, not an offering as part of a run. But I guess that is no surprise.

Remember about the VP run? I told you it wasn't going forward? Think about it.....you cannot be trusted.

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